Comments on: Many Moons, Part II: Trampling the Color Pie https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 27 Oct 2015 21:40:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122516 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 21:40:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122516 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Some things to remember:

– To make the right mana, look at the fetches in hand. Say you have a Catacombs, a Sprawl, a Windswept Heath, and a Foothills. You crack the Foothills right away for Forest and put Sprawl on it, then name black (if you didn’t have Heath in hand, you might name white). Next turn you can fetch a shock and play Blood Moon, and then you just have to find a white source for Rhino (the only card in the deck that requires white mana). With Birds instead of Sprawl, everything gets much easier, since you can fetch a Swamp or Plains on turn 2 and play Moon with red from the Birds. Next turn, you can play Rhino.
– Against some decks, i.e. ones with Path and no basic white source, it’s imperative to slam the Moon before committing threats, even if they’re pressuring you. There’s no point in playing a Goyf that will just get removed and then eating more damage and watching your opponent increase his board with something like Smiter that you could have prevented.
– Save in hand any mana sources beyond 4 unless you’re playing around Leak (and have a good reason to). Same with Moons. That way, Looting draws you four cards when you get to it, and generally finds you either a handful of threats or more Lootings or both.

GL!

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122515 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:55:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122515 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Fair enough. Usually I take the time to sleeve up your creations and test them for a bit before I comment, but this time I didn’t have the chance to. I’ll try out Abzan Moon and see if it runs smoother than it looks.

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By: Ben Corbett https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122514 Sun, 25 Oct 2015 04:12:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122514 Reading how these perform just makes me sad that I don’t have goyfs. I just love main deck blood moon and will sleeve anything up that has it.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122513 Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:37:09 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122513 In reply to Adam Juarez.

I tried Choke in the initial “I’ll-start-with-this” sideboard, and quickly cut it because it didn’t address any specific problems this deck had. That’s what sideboard cards are supposed to do. There are no shoe-ins for a specific color combination (i.e. GR decks must run Choke). Huntmaster beats the white decks in my experience so I never needed Flashfires. Assuming you’re referring to Soul Sisters, I also don’t think I’d want that effect in that matchup, especially not for four mana. Their curve is low enough that they can recover easily, not to mention I’d lose my own Plains.

If you’re struggling to beat decks like mono-white control with this deck, then yes, play Flashfires. But I’m not having that problem.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122512 Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:33:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122512 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Well, in testing, the Siege Rhino deck was very good. So good that I played it all summer and won something like 10 boxes of Khans with it at side events! The Rabblemaster deck needs work. It can’t consistently beat a wide variety of decks. I usually appreciate your comments, too, but for this one it seems like you just focused on how the list “looks” and not at all on how it actually plays. Did you test it at all? The mana in Abzan Moon is phenomenal. I hardly even take any damage from my lands. How is it “too greedy” if I can consistently play Moon into Rhino without stumbling? To me, “greedy” means unreasonable.

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By: Adam Juarez https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122511 Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:02:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122511 I was brewing a very similar list with turn 2 blood moons. Was just wondering why there seems to be no Choke in any of your lists? you are green red correct? i would expect this card for the sideboard as it wrecks a lot of blue decks who don’t construct their deck correctly, i have had to rebuild all my blue decks to consider this evil card.

Also, what is your view on Flashfires in the sideboard? I find mono white decks a pain and this helps.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122510 Sat, 24 Oct 2015 06:01:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122510 I usually enjoy your articles, but this one went off the rails when you were testing those big midrange decks. 6 Blood Moon effects while simultaneously attempting to casting Rhino? Too greedy. Far too greedy. I’d be interested in seeing the decklist for the Temur Turbogoyf deck that you flirted with, then abandoned: Savage Knuckleblade is a pet card of mine, and terrible matchup against Abrupt Decay be damned (or mitigated to some extent by Simic Charm), I’d like to see it get some shine time.

The Chalice/Rabblemaster based deck, on the other hand, looks a lot more promising. I feel like it could stand to have a few more basic lands (because 14 fetches is going to negate a lot of the goodwill that Chalice of the Void gets for you against aggro), but at least there I understand what you were going for there.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122509 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:17:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122509 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

Six Blood Moons, not four 😉

That’s okay, I know it looks really bizarre. I’ve had a lot of success with it. But if you can’t get past the paper, don’t sleeve it up!

On the Ritual deck: I considered Demigod, but decided he might be too clunky. Would really like a mid-game ritual sink though. I’m leaning towards Empty the Warrens.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122508 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:52:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122508 In the next article the deck gonna become a regular BGx.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/many-moons-part-ii-trampling-the-color-pie/#comment-2122507 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:33:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5110#comment-2122507 I don’t want to knock it until I’ve tried it, but you did just suggest a 4 colour deck with 4 blood moons in the main. This does not pass the sniff test as being a great plan :/

The rabble deck – the 4 rituals won’t help you cast chalice, is it really worth playing 6 cards that are pretty much completely dead in any situation other than turn 2 blood moon? The card disadvantage of the spirit guides seems ok because drawing one can enable either t1 chalice or t2 moon, you only have 4 so shouldn’t draw too many multiples, and finally he’s a 2/2 beater or chump blocker as a topdeck. The rituals do like 1/4 of the same work…

There were “all in red” decks back in the day with seething song to power out turn 2 demigod of revenge and whatnot, but I don’t see this as doing anything that crazy with stacked rituals since your 4 drops all need another colour :/

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