Comments on: Theory: Context and Modern Pt. 1 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/theory-context-and-modern-pt-1/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:43:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/theory-context-and-modern-pt-1/#comment-2122558 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 21:43:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5173#comment-2122558 In reply to Samuel Adams Kirkpatrick.

This post comes off as so opinionated that it misses the forest for the trees. Twin and Scapeshift are undeniably combo decks – they’re just not pure combo decks. Burn and Infect are aggressive strategies at their core, but they have some combo elements enabling them, and I’d even argue there’s a dash of tempo in there as well (Searing Blaze in Burn, for example). And how can you construe “Midrange has game against everything, but can at times be weak to combo and control” as “control automatically beats BGx”? If BGx fails to grind the control deck out of resources (as happens roughly half of the time, in my experience), it’s in big trouble, because the control deck tends to have superior inevitability. The fact that BGx can falter if this is the case doesn’t mean that it’s hopeless, though. It means that there’s a scenario in which BGx is clearly disfavored. Calm yourself down and read what he said again.

As far as the article goes, I think it’s fine, though I am disappointed that creature-based aggro, such as Elves (though this one has combo elements to it), Merfolk, and Zoo did not get discussed. This might have been because your versions of Knightfall thus far qualify as creature-based aggro with combo on the side, and thus you’d essentially be describing the mirror, but I think that discussing a strategic mirror has some merit to it, as I can attest that it can be a hard thing to get a hang of.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/theory-context-and-modern-pt-1/#comment-2122557 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:37:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5173#comment-2122557 In reply to Samuel Adams Kirkpatrick.

I question someones knowledge of the format that would claim Scapeshift is not a combo deck. I think you are trying to argue Scapeshift is a control deck which is not the case, its a combo deck with control elements. It only seeks to stall until it can find and resolve a Scapeshift. It generally has few other win conditions in the first ame, though some lists run Inferno Titan or Prime Time. Scapeshift can also come in the form of Jund Scapeshift that trades blue for black discard and removal. The control elements and discard are just disruptive elements so that the deck can resolve the combo.

Splinter Twin is in fact a combo deck that takes many forms (Straight UR combo, midrange Grixis, and tempo UR/UR with Goyf). What’s the one thing those decks have in common? The splinter twin combo, which defines the deck. The control element, midrange element, and tempo element are supplementary back up plans in case the combo does not come together.

I don’t disagree infect can be classified as combo, but and burn also straddles the line between aggro and combo.

Also you didn’t seem to read the article very well because the author explicitly states that control suffers from a weakness to discard which undermines your critique that control straight beats GBx.

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By: Andrew James Riemer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/theory-context-and-modern-pt-1/#comment-2122556 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:18:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5173#comment-2122556 In reply to Samuel Adams Kirkpatrick.

I’m not complaining about playing against good decks. Rather, I’m lamenting those players who continually choose to play what others have created, rather than the diversity they could bring to the game.

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By: Samuel Adams Kirkpatrick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/theory-context-and-modern-pt-1/#comment-2122555 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:26:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5173#comment-2122555 In reply to Andrew James Riemer.

Modern has more viable tier 2 strategies than any other format in Magic, and you want to complain about it not being diverse enough? There are always going to be tier 1 decks that are generally better than all the other decks in the format, there’s no way to have a format where you wouldn’t expect to face some of those decks. This is how Magic always has been, and it’s how Magic always will be. If you don’t want to play against tier 1 decks, play casually with your friends instead of going to events.

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By: Samuel Adams Kirkpatrick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/theory-context-and-modern-pt-1/#comment-2122554 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:20:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5173#comment-2122554 For somebody who tries to act like you really truly understand Magic in general, and Modern specifically, you seem to have a relatively poor understanding of how decks function in Modern. Twin and Scapeshift are not combo decks, Burn and Infect are not aggro decks, control decks don’t just automatically win against the BG/x midrange decks, and in fact they frequently have poor matchups against those decks. Listen, I know you want to sound like you have this all-encompassing knowledge of Modern as a format, but there are so many incredibly wrong conclusions in this article that it’s hard to take you seriously.

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By: Andrew James Riemer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/theory-context-and-modern-pt-1/#comment-2122553 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:58:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5173#comment-2122553 I’m a relatively new reader, but I like what I’ve seen this far. Perhaps I’m too much of an idealist (or a hopeless romantic), but I get disappointed when I see the same decks over and over again. I’d love to see more decks that are reflections of their creators’ imaginations, rather than clones of other winning decks. They very popularity of the game, however, and often now the value of the prizes, drives many people to focus more on known commodities (in terms of decks) that have a history of success rather than interactions that make the game so endearing. We know what to sideboard in if we see _____. We know to run Dismember if good removal is not available in our color. I don’t know that I’d propose a bigger banned list, but wouldn’t it be nice to go into an event with no certainty you’d encounter [insert deck name or combo here]?

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By: Aaron Wilbers https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/theory-context-and-modern-pt-1/#comment-2122552 Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:06:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5173#comment-2122552 Great article! This has me thinking more critically about my deck of choice, Podless Pod, in the context of why I would run it over another combo deck (namely Grixis Twin).

Speaking of which, how would you compare Eternal Witness in Podless Pod to Kolaghan’s Command with Snapcaster Mage in Grixis Twin?

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