Comments on: Breaking Turn Three with Bubble Hulk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:24:15 +0000 hourly 1 By: dbrc_ https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122698 Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:24:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122698 In reply to Clinton whitehurst.

How has the Sleight of Hands worked out for you? I am running your list above for the past couple weeks and have been seeing more and more success after becoming more and more familiar with it but I’m curious if you have been making any changes to it that you think are improvements.

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By: Pilcore https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122697 Thu, 03 Dec 2015 07:46:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122697 Thanks for your article.
I have played your list on MTGO a lot and i am still struggling with inconsistancy of the deck (and also the number of triggers when opponent is not willing to conceed).
I agree on the fact that once you go off there is almost no way to be stooped, but getting there seems already a challenge to me.
I might not mulligan enough, just to have an idea what would be your mulligan rate ?
Have you ever consider / try dimir charm ?

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By: Clinton whitehurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122696 Sat, 14 Nov 2015 06:34:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122696 In reply to Troy.

Also, having you win con exileable is a liability not worth having

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By: Clinton whitehurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122695 Sat, 14 Nov 2015 06:28:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122695 1. Night of souls betreyal is a one of in a deck that has no card selection and. Ost 4 mana so that is not a concern. Mogg fanstic works best as i decribe above, aswell as not needing both body doubles to kill, any creature that has a cmc > 1 needs both body doubles to kill

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By: Troy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122694 Sat, 14 Nov 2015 04:23:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122694 How important is it that fanatic is able to sac itself, since you need a seer out to continue the loop anyhow? This seems like a natural fit for Flayer of the Hatebound, although maybe that’s just win-more and you can basically never hardcast it. Seems like it would dodge effects like souls’ betrayal but then drawing it would be terrible.

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By: Clinton whitehurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122693 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:13:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122693 In reply to Sabertooth.

2 mannequinn
2 scheming
-1 land

for 3 sleight of hands is what im testing at the moment.

i like the 3/3 split with scheming and charm if you are playing mannequin. you still want to be able to find a way to target it.

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By: Sabertooth https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122692 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:32:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122692 Im trying only 2 mannekins and 4 taigam’s and it seems solid. do you think that the third mannekin is a must?

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By: Clinton whitehurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122691 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:35:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122691 In reply to Anonymous.

Hes just to slow and inefficient.
He does nothing the turn you play him, effctively wasting a turn 2.
For 2 mana he only loots 1 card
He turns on your opponents removal, which is blanked without him. And jace is a lightning rod

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122690 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:11:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122690 How do you feel about Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy? Works as dig, discard and recurring dig spells or a footsteps is nice too.

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By: Clinton Whitehurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122689 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 18:12:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122689 In reply to Anonymous.

Nothing is needed to combat liliana, the opponent shouldnt even be casting it let alone using the +1 ability. Giving yor opponent a free diacard outlet is very risky and i have seen it happen where it killed the lily player

He deck doesnt need additional cards to find the reanimation spells since it plays 7 main deck. If you want anything to be remanded its you reanimate spells. The most important thing to find is the hulk not the footsteps

There are other creature already printed that donthe same thing as cutthroat already modern legal, the choice to not use them is simply the fact that grave titan can do the same thing just fine and can win the game on its own. There isnt room for both in the board

The problem with journey is it does absolutely nothing for you if they dont have a hate card and if they do, it only stops it from being exiled and doesnt deal with the card that is exiling it, you still have to find a way to deal with he relic, ooze or whatever permanent it is. Trying to play around surgical is a waste as you cant really do it. And the 4 mana exile all dont need it in the yard anyway

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122688 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:16:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122688 Excellent article! Covers everything I wanted to know.
Since I saw your reddit post “1st pptq with bubble hulk” I knew this is a deck which I would really enjoy to play – thanks a bunch for all your contribution to make Hulk more popular 🙂

I have few card specific questions, maybe you have tested any of these:
Memory’s Journey – as a way to protect yourself against extraction, exile grave etc
Eerie Procession – to find Footsteps
Zulaport Cutthroat – or something similar to kill through leyline
Squee, Goblin Nabob – works well with looting, good against lily and you can have a body ^^

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By: Clinton Whitehurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122687 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:59:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122687 In reply to Anonymous.

Hulk vs griselbrand

Hulk pros/griselbrand cons
Kill is garaunteed, don’t have to rely on drawing more cards or casting other spells once he dies, which makes pact of negation better
Footsteps can’t be dispelled or spell snared
Tapping hulk down wont matter where as the 7 point life swing you miss could easily cost you he game
You get acces to blue card selection and counter magic
Everything in the hulk deck is cast able, unlike bobo and warm.

Griselbrand pros/ hulk cons
The kill can by pass the graveyard
Vengeance is 2 mana(I think that is more of a con since it opens up spell snare)
The splice mechanic works with this deck(though technically you can splice with hulk, you have footsteps and ideas unbound to splice on, but that takes way to much mana to be realistic)

That’s all I could think of, on paper it clearly looks like hulk is better IMO, but I may be biased. I think the griselbrand deck just got popular first so people see it as better

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122686 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122686 Great article/primer! I was just wondering on your thoughts regarding the pros and cons of bubble hulk compared to goryo’s vengeance griselbrand decks.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122685 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:33:05 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122685 In reply to Anonymous.

4 or 5 mana sorcery speed spells arent really what you want to be doing in modern

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122684 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:11:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122684 Great to hear your thoughts on the deck! One question: have you tested Corpse Connoisseur in the Summoner’s Pact/Gifts Ungiven slot for the mannequin version? It might just be worse than Gifts, but it can be played off of a Taigam’s Scheming or duplicated with Body Double.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122683 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:57:21 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122683 gigadrowse is terrible in this deck–you’re never going to have enough lands in play to compete with the number of lands your opponent is going to have in play–at least, not late enough in the game to matter. Earlier in the game, you’re better off with pacts and the like.

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By: Clinton Whitehurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122682 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:39:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122682 In reply to Anonymous.

Gigadrowse is great at doing that, but modern is very light on counter magic and blue decks are good match ups due to there non aggressive nature. The first list we played we tried early frost to due the same effect, but it is not worth the board slots.

Pull from eternity would put a stain on the mana for such a narrow card. The cranial extraction/ slaughter games type cards are so rare it’s not worth bothering, also the card cost 4 mana, which might as well be Emrakul. Besides even if you do pull anything back you still have to deal with the permanent that exiled it since the most common grave hate is relic or ooze, so that is why I prefer to have cards in the board that deal with the problem rather then a reactive card like pull where you have to wait for them to exile something before you can even cast it

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/breaking-turn-three-with-bubble-hulk/#comment-2122681 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:40:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5485#comment-2122681 Seen this deck played at SCG Dallas and liked it a lot. Thought of how much it suffers from graveyard hate and exiling stuff is scary one though. I myself play Storm and sometimes even a Relic can blow you out from all graveyard shenanigans. But one big advantage Hulk has is the ability to go off at instant speed which not that many combo decks can do. One day I will build it for sure as it seems very fun. As for now, I’d like to suggest a couple cards I’ve not saw in this article.
– Pull From Eternity. I consider running that card in Storm as well just because sometimes you get screwed with something like Memorycide and lose your wincon completely. I think Pull can be very strong in grave hate situations like this and no one would ever expect that tech.
– Gigadrowse. That one is when you need to push hardly through a wall of counterspells. Jam it in their end step and tap all lands. Comboing off from that point is no question.

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