Comments on: GP Pittsburgh Recap and Analysis! https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:41:12 +0000 hourly 1 By: DNLK https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122815 Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:41:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122815 Liked to see faeries, but it seemed weird to watch them just ending games with creature lands almost all of the time. I guess it’s the price you pay for having no resistance to fair 1-1 mindrnge-y removal (no Scion of Oona, remember?).

It was funny to read comments on stream every time Amulet got on the screen. “Broken”, “stupid combo” and trash-talk like this. Well, when on the opposing side is Jund, it can be viewed as “totally OP”. It’s fine, guys!

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By: Evan Stoddard https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122814 Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:53:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122814 Where art thou video.
But love the article regardless. How well suited do you think non grixis control decks are, it seems out of favor, but could do well.

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By: OpUno https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122813 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:27:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122813 In reply to Chris Candreva.

The guy that pìloted that deck has been posting a lot on Reddit about it, found the answer to that particular question:

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3u6tmh/hi_im_thien_nguyen_im_the_guy_that_top_8d_gp/cxcs7jy

“The 2 damage from Stomping Grounds matter a lot in many matchups. It’s usual the difference between barely making it and death. Basic forests are huge because it lets you play around Blood Moon. Also having a less painful mana base was a big goal of mine. Being able to fetch Cinder Glades untapped was a huge step up from having to fetch Stomping Grounds especially when I needed green sources that were also Mountains.”

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By: Bernard Bom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122812 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 19:42:21 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122812 This indeed tortures my Soul Trev. The Modern monday video series on Nexus has become part of my weekly routine. I’ve now killed my time by watching Spongebob Squarepants the movie, can you believe it? 😉

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By: Álvaro Castro https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122811 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 19:04:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122811 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

Agreed. It’s healthy because it lets you play a lot of diverse decks and that’s the whole point. In fact, we can explore the format and get some insight on sweet/new decks. I respect what you’re doing and hope you get to the correct split.

However, if by “under the radar brews” you mean Tier3 and lower, there’s plenty of good finishes for them on the internet. What I mean is that those brews’ players may feel let down if pro-submitted lists are the go-to for your videos, because that random guy who actually won that random IQ/Open probably knows the deck better.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122810 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:50:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122810 In reply to Álvaro Castro.

I’m glad you like the series! You make great points, that T16 lists carry more weight, but I think the split between winning lists/under the radar brews is healthy, as long as it remains a solid mix of both. I mean, look at Lantern Control’s history pre-Charlotte, at Charlotte, and then at GP Oklahoma City. Should we only pay attention to the deck once it wins a GP? I’m not so sure.

What do you guys think? Definitely interested in as much feedback on this as possible!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122809 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:47:21 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122809 In reply to Brandon William Elam.

Thanks for the tip! I definitely intend on taking Faeries for a spin

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122808 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:46:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122808 In reply to Anonymous.

You’re right, it’s not that big of a deal as the list only plays one of each, but you are completely correct. Don’t apologize, thanks for catching me!

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By: alex https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122807 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 08:00:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122807 I really like the way that the Grixis deck is streamlined to abuse flip jace and the fearless 3 dispel approach for burn. I am pretty sure that the key to making grixis a better is to give up on being a counterspells-in-the-60 kind of deck.

It totally sucks, but design is inherenty making counters mediocre. Time to roll with the punches and recast super efficient spells until the opponent dies. Hitch your grixis wagons to flipjace, grixirinos.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122806 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:01:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122806 Sweet article Trevor, sorry to nitpick but just a minor note: Kiki-Jiki can’t blink Pia & Kiran.

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By: Keith Smerbeck https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122805 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 01:46:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122805 Any thoughts behind grixis taking a NON-delver aggro/midrange route?

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By: Álvaro Castro https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122804 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 01:18:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122804 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

Both winning and cool decks are great options! But it is kinda weird once we start seing 64th places (Chapin) and no-event brews (LSV). Maybe you should focus on T16 lists. Don’t get me wrong, any good player can come up with a good list, but then you’ve got people complaining about card choices for their pet deck (WB Tokens) and feeling they were let down.

Your video series is awesome and really helpful too. I’m sure we all here want to the see the best in action and you deliver. But I believe it would be interesting if you just focused on lists with top finishes (T8/16 maybe). Give them a spin and then post your own take based on what you learnt and how it played out.

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By: Chris Candreva https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122803 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:39:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122803 Are we just not going to talk about 4x cinder glade, 1x stomping grounds in the valakut list? Cause that definitely seems like something to pay attention to going forward. The general consensus has been that shocks are just better, and 11 basics probably has something to do with the composition of the list, but 4 battle lands vs. 1 shock is noteworthy

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122802 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:30:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122802 In reply to Anon.

In multiple articles across multiple sites and comment sections I have heard that the consensus is that the Amulet Bloom matchup is good/great/bad/terrible for Jund, with data supporting all conclusions. I’m inclined at this point to think that the matchup is in fact pretty even and experience and sideboarding plans are the difference makers rather than either side having a clear advantage.

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By: Brandon William Elam https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122801 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:45:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122801 If you guys do end up doing a series or article on faeries Im sure the faerie crew at mtgsalvation can answer any questions for you. I’m all for good faerie P.R. and after all the hate I read/heard while it was on camera more understanding of the deck could help. It really is a labor of love kind of deck though, and its success really does depend on the pilot and how the deck is personalized.

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By: Rory Alexander Farrell-Madden McDonough https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122800 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:21:21 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122800 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

Yeah, sounds like they are lumping them together. A quote from their Day 2 Metagame Breakdown:

“The return of Zoo has been a recurring story at Modern Grand Prix, thanks to the various Commands added with Dragon’s of Tarkir. Atarka’s Command, alongside Wild Nacatl and sometimes Become Immense, shifted Boros Burn into a distinctly more creature-based strategy while Dromoka’s Command helped buff the Voice of Resurgence-Loxodon Smiter-Lightning Bolt creature approachs.”

Kind of annoying to lump them together as Zoo because sticking Wild Nacatl into Burn doesn’t really change the deck on a fundamental level, where as most versions of Zoo have a very different feel.

There are probably some basic theoretical questions we could ask when clarifying a deck as Zoo or Burn, but as a basic rule, I think if a deck runs Lava Spike or Rift Bolt, it’s probably Burn.

Not really sure what to make of Become Immense. Is that a thing now? Seems risky.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122799 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:49:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122799 In reply to Álvaro Castro.

Ah, the tough decisions. Winning list or cool deck? Maybe I do Jeskai first and U/B Faeries after? Who knows what’s right…

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122798 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:48:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122798 In reply to Anon.

I agree completely with you, which means I probably didn’t do a great job explaining my stance on that matchup. I view it through the lens of “Amulet is a better matchup for Jund than R/G Tron, but still unfavorable”. Thanks for keeping me honest!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122797 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:45:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122797 In reply to Zach Porr.

This is possible, I’m not sure how to approach this moving forward. Some distinction has to be made, possibly the number of Burn spells in the list is a better determining factor for “Zoo vs. Burn”. I’m not sure where the WoTC coverage team draws the line for their naming conventions. Good point!

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By: dm https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/11/gp-pittsburgh-p-and-analysis/#comment-2122796 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:14:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=5724#comment-2122796 Please do a video series on faeries

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