Comments on: Curious George Goes to a Super Series: Revisiting Monkey Grow, Chapter 2 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 17 Dec 2015 03:54:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123014 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 03:54:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123014 In reply to Beryl Lasko.

I kind of want to say those situations are fun for nobody, but that’s not exactly true – it definitely gave me a laugh. That doesn’t mean such behavior isn’t toxic. After the match I congratulated his opponent with a big hi-five and talked to him about Modern, ignoring a sulky Pascal entirely. I think it’s important not to “feed” his negativity by agreeing with him that his opponent “lucked out” or even paying attention to him at all.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123013 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:54:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123013 In reply to Gus.

Well, I won’t force you to play it. In fact, I’ll encourage you not to play with Magic cards you consider terrible. You won’t have any fun!

Curiosity is frequently phenomenal for me in testing and events, so your opinions definitely won’t cause me to stop using the card. For the record, I played with Curiosity months before I discovered the Spider Umbra tech, which I think is only even better than Curiosity for a Grixis Control-heavy meta, which we’re not seeing now.

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By: Gus https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123012 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:43:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123012 Ok, i’m going against the grain here, I think Curiosity is a terrible card. It seems very win more and risky as hell in a deck that already 2-for-1’s itself a lot with Shoal. 2-for-1’s in that regards I dont mind at all, since Shoal is an amazing tempo card in this format/deck that people have forgotten about.

I realize you seem to be doing well with Curiosity, which goes against all the magic logic I can think of, so you must be getting extremely lucky with your timing of it. Cards like Keen Sense have been around forever, so this is not exactly new tech, and Keen Sense doesnt see any play outside of Bogles.

You open yourself up to a blow out if your Delver/goyf gets Abrupt Decayed while you try to cast Curiosity. Even if you connect once, you are just replacing the card you played, so you really need to hit twice for any benefit whatsoever. For a deck that wants to win by turns 5-7, two turns to see any profit seems far too slow. I understand a side benefit is that it can be pitched to Shoal, but that means it is exiled and doesnt grow your goyf.

I just feel like it would be dead in your hand a lot, since i wouldnt feel comfortable jamming in on a creature if my opponent is not tapped out or if i didnt have 2 ways to counter war it on there.

If you want an enchantment to grow goyf, and is good in the BG(x) matchup, i think your original sideboard card of Spider Umbra is SO much better. If you can sneak it on there, it makes your Monkeys bigger than most goyfs, lets you win the goyf vs goyf/tasigur wars, saves your creature from a kill spell you cant counter, and it turns on ferocious for Stubborn Denial if you put it on a flipped Delver.

All these comments seem to focus on Curiosity, which seems like a terrible magic card, even for this deck which ‘protects the queen’.

/.02 cents

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By: Mikefon https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123011 Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:03:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123011 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

You’re welcome 🙂
By the way I love your decks. Now I’m testing the Counter-cats, but I’m planning to test Banana Phone and Curious George too. I’m having so much fun with C-C and pretty good results too.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123010 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 22:54:04 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123010 In reply to Jérémy Cros.

Yes, otherwise I would play Feed in the sideboard 😛

I lost a lot with this deck when I first built it. You need to stick with it and play a ton. It’s very skill-intensive. I also wouldn’t recommend it for a BGx-heavy metagame, but if you really want to turn some monkeys sideways, Curiosity is where it’s at. Good luck!

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By: Andreas Rokkjær https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123009 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:16:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123009 Oh and my Deck does not need to fetch Shocks which helps with the burn matchup

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By: Andreas Rokkjær https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123008 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:07:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123008 I am working on a project for the university so i cant be totally sure on the numbers but of the top of my head:
Lands: 17
4x Tarn
4x Misty
1x RG fetch (dont remember name)
2x Breeding Pool
1x Steamvents
3x Island
2x Forest

Beater: 15
4x Delver
4x Honored Hierarch
4x Goyf
3x Mandrills

Cantrips: 12
4x Serum Visions
4x Probe
4x Scour

Other Spells:
4x Shoal
2x Cryptic
4x Simic Charm
3x Vapor snag
2x Curiosity
1x Spellpierce or Denial (Don’t remember if im keeping the 3rd denial or 1st pierce in the bord)

Board: 15 (changes often)
Core: 10
3x Blood Moon
3x Chameleon Colossus
3x Denial (or pierce)
1x Mandrills
Interchangable Slots: (right now im running)
2x feed the Clan
2x Grudge
1x IDK

The idea i got was that my big dudes can stall the grund all they want, i have a high diversity of threats, which means there is away i can get through. Cryptic probably not the tempo-tool that you are looking for, can add up as some reach when you have alot of grund dudes anyway. All our threats are top notch, and with charm combat math is a pain for your opponent. With the higher amount of 1 drops you can easily put pressure on fast opponents, and the bounce is just incredible, with cryptic i have 9 maindeck bounces, and that is all the deck wants, with a Hierarch online it is just fine to keep bouncing the opponents confidant or what ever while you develop your board.

BR.
ps. sorry i didn’t chech for spelling errors.

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By: Jérémy Cros https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123007 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:05:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123007 Really cool series of article!
Also, very interesting to see your detailed thoughts about sideboarding and decision making in games.
Which makes me think, given the success you enjoy playing this deck (I know you’re probably a bit disappointed but I’d still call 6-2 more than decent) and how terrible my performances have been with it, that I really need to practice it more.

My current version does not run Curiosity but I like drawing cards and at least half the players at my LGS have very grindy decks so I’ll will definitely try it out!

Do you think the Burn matchup is good enough that you don’t need Feed the Clan in your sideboard?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123006 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:12:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123006 In reply to Rokkjaer.

Curiosity is better than Tarfire against linear combo decks and control/midrange strategies, but Tarfire really shines against aggro, and Modern has no shortage of those strategies. Curiosity is not a card you want to see vs. Burn or Kiki-Chord, for instance, whereas Tarfire is literally Bolt #5. FWIW I think you’re insane for cutting Lightning Bolt, but have you had any success with your list? Would be interested in hearing more about it. Do you mind posting a list?

Chameleon Colossus is pretty hard to remove in this format, but no trample makes him easy to chump, and he does nothing against a set-up creature deck, which will just attack around him. Huntmaster gains you life so you don’t die to a big attack, puts a body on the board that can immediately block, and then starts gunning down creatures the turn after. I’d prefer Colossus against Jund and Huntmaster against all the creature decks, so since Huntmaster’s more versatile, he’s my 4-drop of choice. (That, and double green can be tough to get to without Hierarch on a Moon plan!)

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123005 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:08:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123005 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Curiosity was the best card in this event. Glad I put it back into the list!

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123004 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:07:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123004 In reply to Mikefon.

Thank you for this!

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By: Rokkjaer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123003 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:11:36 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123003 Hi Jordan.
I’ve been playing Monkey grow since you first started posting about it on MTGsalvation. I have recently dropped bolt intirely, and only play one Steamvents of 9 fetches for Moon in the board. I also added Honored Hierarch, which in my opinion has been excellent in all the BGx Matchups. I did need to cut a Monkey, which let me to move the Denial package to the sideboard along with the 4th Monkey. I think Honored Hierach is very powerful in this deck, because it helps hard casting shoal early on, and also made you able to play out 4 mana threats on turn 3 against the BGx decks. Since i cut ret i had to play Chameleon Collossus, in place of huntmaster.
I am very excited that you have started working on your Monkey grow deck again, and i my opinion Curiosity is leagues better than Tarfire.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123002 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:04:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123002 Great to see the latter half of this report, Jordan. I’m very pleasantly surprised by the performance of Curiosity in this shell to ward off the BGx boogeymen, and I can empathize with Affinity’s speed subconsciously pressuring you into walking right into that Spell Pierce. All in all, though, I’m impressed with the deck’s performance, and I think I need to do some more thinking on the subject of Temur Delver in order to incorporate some of the things you have discussed.

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By: Mikefon https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123001 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 06:35:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123001 Actually ricochet trap works pretty well with shoal since shoal reads “if”. So you can target anything with a shoal set to 0 but the spell will be counteted only if the cost it’s 0. It would have been different if it read “counter target spell with converted mana cost x” but that’s not the case. It’s the same as pyroblast an red elemental blast.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2123000 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 04:30:18 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2123000 In reply to nakapuff.

Thanks! My favorite thing about Modern is that you can play pretty much any card you want, so long as a strictly better version of that card doesn’t already exist. My personal favorites include Mandrills, Curiosity, Peppersmoke, and Rabblemaster.

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By: nakapuff https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2122999 Mon, 14 Dec 2015 21:44:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2122999 I love this article are how far you are pushing this deck with deck tech and everything else. I also like the card choices like “Curiosity” that people just don’t play/test because nobody else does and they just think that it doesn’t even exist. But in the right build It shines a lot. =)

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By: Beryl Lasko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/12/curious-george-goes-to-a-super-series-revisiting-monkey-grow-chapter-2/#comment-2122998 Mon, 14 Dec 2015 18:21:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6029#comment-2122998 This has been a excellent write up! LOL for Mr. Maynard story, I hate seeing “Pros” with a super serious, spikey attitude, esp. with new players. Missed opportunity to show class, and IMO, a double loss!

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