Comments on: Insider: The Impact of OGW on Standard https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:17:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Matthew Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/#comment-1604521 Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:29:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=69785#comment-1604521 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

You are right, I am ignoring the context of how Nissa plays in Standard. I don’t know how she plays in Standard, but I can imagine a context where she is good.

At the moment, I am working to understand her power level by comparing Nissa to the historical performance of Standard planeswalkers.

How are these obtuse arguments?

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/#comment-1603816 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:23:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=69785#comment-1603816 In reply to Justin.

I think she’s great! Hard to say if we’ll see more than one or two copies in a given deck, but as Gerry T demonstrated the power is there.

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By: Justin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/#comment-1603415 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:07:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=69785#comment-1603415 Thoughts on Chandra, Flamecaller? She’s another potential turn 3 board wipe in G/R ramp, while also presenting a fast clock and a way to dig for more gas. I could see players shaving copies of Ugin for her, as he doesn’t hit anything in the mirror.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/#comment-1603385 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:00:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=69785#comment-1603385 In reply to Matthew Lewis.

Obviously a 4 is going to be more powerful than a three. You’re also ignoring that Nissa plays very well WITH Gideon. Your arguments here are rather obtuse.

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By: Matthew Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/#comment-1603118 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:06:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=69785#comment-1603118 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

Yes, these are the comparisons that suggest Nissa is powerful. One would say the exact same things about Gideon and be correct. What about comparing these two?

By the time you can make a 1/2 with Nissa, you are down to 2 loyalty. For 1 more generic mana, you get 4 loyalty and a 2/2 with Gideon. So, even a more contemporary comparison suggests Nissa might be a little under powered.

With the comparison to Ajani and now to Gideon, I have made arguments for why Nissa is under powered relative to other planeswalkers. I suspect we’ll see a price range of $5 to $10 before it sees $15 to $20 again.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/#comment-1602626 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:20:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=69785#comment-1602626 In reply to Matthew Lewis.

Comparing 0/1 to 1/1 isn’t what matters here. Nissa makes a body. That’s huge. She actually builds towards something on an empty board and protects herself.

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By: Matthew Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/#comment-1602612 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:17:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=69785#comment-1602612 I’ve not rendered my judgement on Nissa in the forums or elsewhere, but I have never been very impressed. One of the main arguments for here was the pedigree of 3 mana planeswalkers. Most saw play in Standard. That’s fine, but one of those was Ajani, Caller of the Pride.

In a loose comparison, Nissa and Ajani have similar +1 abilities, but Nissa gives half the stats with an 0/1 instead of Ajani giving +1/+1. Nissa also starts with 1 less loyalty.

On both of these comparison, Nissa is inferior to Ajani, and Ajani was one that kept on disappointing me as it refused to show up to any large degree in Standard. I think Nissa has got further downside and I would be cautious on predicting a floor.

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By: Mike Lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/69785/#comment-1602456 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:37:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=69785#comment-1602456 I’m all about Nissa too and orders some for myself so you’re not alone on this one.

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