Comments on: Brave New World: Modern Going Forward After SCG Atlanta https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:43:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Frank Hagen Herfjord https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124019 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:43:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124019 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

Our fears should never be Eldrazi – Quarter is a win more card against those guys. Ghost quarter is only really useful against Tron, and Tec Edge is good against a range of decks such as Jund and Gifts (which is a deck I think is seriously under-valued – it’s the new twin).

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By: Frank Hagen Herfjord https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124018 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:56:09 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124018 In reply to Anonymous.

I just came back from FNM and playing T1 vial, T2 chalice, T3 Harbinger and Tidebinder Mage, T4 Negate felt pretty interactive against my Burn opponent who expected a race. That felt pretty disruptive to me.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124017 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:47:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124017 In reply to Frank Herfjord.

It has spells to interact but it’s not strictly an Interactive deck, such as midrange or control, it’s light interactions are mainly to push your game plan against opposing disruption rather than to disrupt your opponent’s game plan.
For example spreading seas can interact with your opponent’s lands but it’s main purpouse is to make your dudes unblockable so that your opponent cannot interact with them throught the Combat phase, and the same can be said about aether vial, cavern of souls and kira.

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By: Frank Herfjord https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124016 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:16:17 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124016 In reply to DanW.

Uh do you think Fish is not interactive..? 21 out of 41 spells in Rogers’ list can target the opponent’s spells, and the creatures often do blocking duty. Fish is tempo, not aggro, and very interactive as far as I can see.

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By: Kevin Rogers https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124015 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 06:53:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124015 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

For a few hours after the event finished it showed him as second so I can understand how it might have happened.

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By: Kevin Rogers https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124014 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 06:52:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124014 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

I don’t disagree that it has its place but I prefer to outright kill the lands against the decks that go long. It’s personal preference depending on how people feel about their match-ups. I’m pretty comfortable against infect (big fan of keeping spreading seas in for inkmoth instead of quarter) but If you aren’t comfortable with the plans I’ve chosen with tectonic edge then ghost quarter is the better of the two. I might adopt a 1 of mainboard and a 3/1 split in the sb for tectonic edge/quarter.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124013 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 04:50:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124013 In reply to Anonymous.

I actually think Quarter is better right now than Edge. There are matchups where Edge gets the, well, edge: killing enemy manlands is a big one. But if your fears are Tron and Eldrazi, Edge is not the solution. Also, Edge is not what I want to be doing against Inkmoth Nexus. Those three situations point me much more to Quarter than Edge in the current format.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124012 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 04:47:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124012 In reply to Kevin Rogers.

Jund had been up on the SCG site at 2nd in the standings for a while, and then again at 2nd on the deck page for a while longer. I think Trevor and I checked it on the deck link, which has since been updated. We fixed the link here to reflect that though.

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By: Kurt Simmøns https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124011 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 04:27:30 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124011 In reply to Kevin Rogers.

I don’t see where he ever said Dustin Green placed second. But maybe he saw this and corrected his mistake, who knows.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124010 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:57:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124010 Wow – your lack of understanding of the format continues to come to the forefront – Todd’s delver list is plain bad – but you jump in and say what you want about how amazing it is and how it won due to the absence of Twin. Todd himself said the deck was poor – perhaps you should do even a small amount of research before you shot off your random and poorly conceived thoughts.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124009 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:44:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124009 In reply to Anonymous.

I don’t agree. Ghost Quarter is safer to include in the maindeck manabase (because it can fetch you U in case of emergency and save you from color-screw), and it is more potent against the decks that are actually ascendant (or at least predicted to be) in this post-Twin world. Tectonic Edge has its perks, and if we find ourselves overrun with BGx and UWx Control, maybe I’ll reconsider my stance.

P.S.: I’ve been singing Ghost Quarter’s praises for months now (go to the Merfolk primer on MTGSalvation and look up rothgar13 if you don’t believe me). ModernNexus confirmed what I was already saying, which is just further evidence that I was on to something.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124008 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:57:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124008 ‘Analysis’ based opinion piece on Twin banning? Dude it was banned for marketing reasons – if you cannot see that then you clearly are ignoring all the evidence and even clear statements made by WOTC’s Aaron Forscythe

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124007 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:54:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124007 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

You are wrong dude – Tec Edge is better – although Ghost Quarter is the new cool land due to the heard mentaility on MTG salvation

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124006 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:52:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124006 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Its not heard mentality at all Tec Edge is overall a better card in Merfolk for a number of reasons. Ghost quarter is heard mentality..

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By: DanW https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124005 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:28:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124005 Thanks for yet another great article Modern Nexus, this was encouraging news as it sometimes seems as if it is only a matter of time until we must accept this new colorless world of magic. I’m glad to see new decks take shape, but I fear that between Affinity, Tron, and Eldrazi midrange decks like mine (abzan) are on their heels. I suppose pendulums swing both ways, but until we see the momentum shift, I think I’ll be borrowing my buddy’s fish deck. Which is fun, but I do like to interact at least a little.

Is there a light of at the end of the tunnel for interactive decks? What can wizards give us that will help us engage with other players rather than ignore them?

(Eldrazi terrify me more than any other deck, what is a midrange mage to do against that mence?)

Thanks for all you do, Modern Nexus you’re the first site I visit after work each day.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124004 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:21:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124004 In reply to Kevin Rogers.

I made a caveat in my previous post to account for experienced players who just prefer to use TecEdge because they assume that they’ll land one Spreading Seas or are more concerned with their opponents hitting a certain land count. I will say that the reasoning is theoretically sound, and I apologize if I implied otherwise.

However, I don’t necessarily agree with the reasoning – I think that assuming you’ll hit a Spreading Seas during the course of the game is dangerous (since the hypergeometric distribution says it’s a roughly 50/50 proposition by Turn 3, which is the absolute latest you’d be safe hitting one), so I prefer standalone land hate that doesn’t require other cards to function. Furthermore, in my experience it doesn’t matter if they slow-roll their way to 5 lands without full Tron and have enough to activate O-Stone – by then, they tend to be dead to pressure.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124003 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:08:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124003 In reply to Anonymous.

My eternal dissatisfaction with Delver decks in Modern, summarized succinctly in one sentence. Hopefully we get Preordain back, or those Prowess decks people are messing around with pan out.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124002 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:37:31 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124002 In reply to Anonymous.

Ah yeah, I forgot to discuss the manland angle. Tectonic Edge is generally considered to better against UWx Control and BGx Midrange, because those decks generally have things that they want to do that cost 4+ mana (plus manlands that take 4+ mana to activate), but Ghost Quarter is considered to be better against Affinity, Eldrazi, Infect, and Tron (because their manlands take 1 mana to activate or they only need 3 lands to drop huge threats on you). Given that you can tune your sideboard in other ways to combat BGx effectively (Relic of Progenitus and Tidebinder Mage spring to mind) and that UWx is a rarity unless explicitly shown otherwise, I stick with Ghost Quarter and use the additional sideboard room on something else.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124001 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:13:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124001 In reply to Kevin Rogers.

Thanks for catching that, it’s fixed. And your comment is why I added the note in about Spreading Seas.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/brave-new-world-modern-going-forward-after-scg-atlanta/#comment-2124000 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:08:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6960#comment-2124000 Good luck flipping delver in a format where your best cantrip is Serum Visions.

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