Comments on: Saturday Brief – Summer Bloom and Splinter Twin Banned https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 03 Feb 2016 21:36:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Thebulwark https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123628 Wed, 03 Feb 2016 21:36:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123628 In reply to Jose Raul.

Except that a lot of people wanted the twin ban, so it may well have still happened under player watch

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By: Jacob David Fortuna https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123627 Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:34:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123627 It is not fun to have Modern “rotating”. When I began buying magic cards and building modern decks, I thought I was getting cards that could be used for a very long time and used this excuse to justify my “investment”. I built Twin and Bloom last year. I will allow my current decks to rotate me out of the format. Good luck Wizards. Maybe the cost to MTG will be the loss of future $’s as people like me stop “investing” in the game and go back to our other hobbies.

Canon is going to love me this year, thanks for pushing me back to photography MTG. 🙂

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123626 Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:20:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123626 As a Merfolkplayer i am sad to see BOTH decks getting axed.

I LOVED the Twin matchup it was extremely close to 50:50 and felt really skillful.
Bloom on the other hand was always a race. Consistency vs. Spiky power.

I always hate when cards get banned. I hated the Treasurecruise ban and i hate the Twin ban. I was ok with pod though, because i couldn’ learn the matchup as well as i wanted to, but i would have got to it eventually.

I have to say however, that IF i get more powerful blue cards for that Twinban, i’m behind the Twin ban. I still think TC and Dig should not have been banned, because up to now, blue has NO modern viable carddrawspell despite blue being the cardadvantage-color on paper….
The moment it got useful we can be sure its getting banned. Same goes for GOOD Counterspell.

The colorless menace however has to stop. Either wizards gives every color the ability to deal with colorless cards or they hurt those cards in other ways, but i absolutely hate being helpless unless i run specific colors.

greetings, Tyrannon

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123625 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 23:20:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123625 Are we forgetting that wizards just printed splinter twin in a recent modern masters set?

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By: gromit https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123624 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:58:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123624 If banning twin makes other decks viable im all for it. All the great blue cards that deck plays are interchangeable between many strategies. In would go as fare as saying the impact on the wallet of twin pales when compared to the hit pod players took. And if it opens the door for potential favourites to re enter the format that’s also good.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123623 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:23:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123623 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

Agreed. When they wanted to take away the modern PT, I didn’t like that. The cost of getting it back is, however, way too high. I vote for the modern PT to be cancelled given that the cost of it is as high as it is.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123622 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:20:01 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123622 I think there is a bigger problem for the Jund/Junk players than for the Twin players. First the decks are expensive, and now they won’t be good against anything in the format. I’m not sure this will actually increase diversity of decks, you’ll just have Tron or Affinity take over the Twin slot, you’ll have no Jund/Junk and the others will just be a bunch of different aggro decks like now, same percentages, different decks.

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By: Ray https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123621 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 17:02:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123621 In reply to Peter.

my rug scapeshift deck would like to talk to you about your first paragraph.
However your second is spot on.

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By: Delverofthemany https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123620 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:57:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123620 As a Merfolk player I am very sad that one of the major policemen decks for the Modern format has been banned.. I understand that Splinter Twin decreased the diversity of the Modern but I also feel like this deck has kept certain Tier 1 archetypes from completely taking over the game.. I fully expect GR Tron and Affinity to completely dominate top 8s until the next ban list announcement in April.

The only possible reason for a Spilnter Twin ban that I can come up with is that Wizards wants to make Blue stronger In Modern. I’ve heard many times before that the main argument keeping Counterspell out of Modern is that Splinter Twin would run 4 copies and would simply be “to good”… All I know is that Wizards has a lot of making up to do to us blue mages.

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By: Hakuna Matata https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123619 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:24:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123619 In reply to Emil Hoffman.

Please take not of the UR shock lands price drop.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123618 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:27:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123618 Its all good and well to rage at the twin ban but if the player base as a megority allys enuff preasure the ban might be lifted by next year. And yes the people that invested allt of time and money in twin have had a major knock the deck is stil not entirely dead. Yes u are down to kiki to do the combo but its stil a deck that can work

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123617 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:03:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123617 In reply to Death And Catmix.

This. I’m not a Twin player but this upsets me. I started playing Modern last year and never thought I’d given quitting it a thought until this banning.

The only silver lining is that I am certain Twin will be unbanned.

Thanks WOTC.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123616 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 11:51:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123616 In reply to Joviet.

D&T is not good vs Affinity

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By: Death And Catmix https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123615 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 06:48:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123615 You know wizards messed up when non-twin players are easily as outraged (or more) as the actual twin players. It hurts me to know that not only is the reasoning poor, the announcement was deployed during a poor beta launch that shadowed over my prerelease experience. I also find the lack of unbanning so to be hypocritical of their desire to have deck diversity. I am disheartened from the game currently which is a complete devastation compared to what I expected Jan. 18th to bring.
I’m a Death and Taxes player and Splinter Twin was a fair (or even favourable) matchup. Losing them for the reason wizards has stated makes me feel unsafe in collecting cards for eternal formats and standard is just a bunch of bottle rocket decks with inflated price tags.

I wish wizards didn’t hate modern players.

-A very sad, very dead cat.

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By: Evolve https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123614 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 05:25:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123614 I think it’s healthy. Largely I feel Twin players are the most equipped with format strategy to adapt. Every ounce of pain here is exactly what new players and creative brewers face when trying to approach the format of yesterday. This improves how prohibitively insular the format had become. So I’m grateful.

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By: Tim Estes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123613 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 05:19:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123613 http://themeadery.org/b/ElvishJerricco/read/modern-is-now-a-rotating-format/

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By: Peter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123612 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:54:01 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123612 In reply to Anonymous.

the biggest issue i saw with the announcement was how it referenced temur tempo and uwr decks… the twin variations basically only splashed the third color for tarmogoyf and resto/path… the past iterations of temur tempo and uwr decks died for specific reasons… cruise in the case of tempo and slowness for uwr…

it is incredibly worrying how out of touch the annoucement was from reality….

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By: Amalek0 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123611 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:46:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123611 I’m late to the party on the comments here.

I have one major question for you Sheridan:

Given that this banlist update almost certainly signals a rise in affinity, tron, and B/x eldrazi, decks that all play an almost insignificant number of basics, along with a drop in the numbers for jund/bgx and Grixis, would now be the time to see a resurgence of Blue Moon? Bolt, spell snare, snapcaster, and electrolyze do their part in keeping the fast linear decks in check, and blood moon/spreading seas with mana leaks and cryptics certainly does a number on Tron’s early and midgame, to say nothing of eldrazi, and the reduced amount of abrupt decay and kolaghan’s command in the format at large should favor the return of a vedalken shackles based deck, right? Is now the time to pick up a couple more blood moons/snapcasters and jump ship from esper draw-go to blue-moon?

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By: Peter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123610 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:41:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123610 In reply to Angus Mackenzie.

this is just completely wrong… if any control deck was viable outside of twin it would have popped up somewhere…

the meta post ban will bear this out… there is no control deck out there that can handle any of the tier 1 matchups currently sans twin…. not having twin doesn’t all of a sudden make this better… it’s not like these guys are getting any new cards to help….

if anything those decks preyed on twin decks…

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By: Alphez https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/01/saturday-brief-summer-bloom-splinter-twin-banned/#comment-2123609 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:26:17 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=6673#comment-2123609 In reply to Sean Ryan Turley.

There’s plenty of ways one can keep playing without spending money. WotC cares about the latter, not the former. Want to read a story?

I loved Modern and I started to play it when Kiki Pod became a deck. Over time I tried out every incarnation of the deck and grew fond of it and of the format. In the meanwhile I basically abandoned any other format (I used to play Legacy and Limited, with some rare incursions in Standard territory). With Pod’s ban, my interest in the format took a huge hit. I have the pool to build most blue-based decks, as well as BGx and (of course) Chord/Company decks. So I tried some of those, but I couldn’t really find another “true love”. I was already quite disenfranchised. But after Twin’s ban, honestly, I am horrified at the idea of playing a format where you either play big mana or non-interactive aggro-combo decks. Those are strategies I cannot stand. Besides, I’d have to buy a new deck because the 3 (three) deck shells I own are probably going to become tier-2 material. What do you think I will do?

I built a Cube last December. I designed a list, bought more than a hundred of cards for less than 50€ and proxied the expensive ones. My friends love it, it’s fun and always fresh. We play at least once a week and everybody gets to express their opinion about the metagame: if there is consensus that something is over/underpowered, it gets fixed. It’s the most rewarding and fun Magic I have had since a long time.

I don’t think I will go back to competitive Magic anytime soon (even though I like to keep on reading about it, as you can see). Honestly, Magic is just a game for me: I like to be competitive, but I was not going to become a Pro, much like most people here. I just don’t have the necessary dedication, nor I really want to pursue such a “career”. So, why bother? Time and money are precious, I don’t want to waste them on a format that I cannot truly master since it will be arbitrarily turned upside-down on a yearly basis. Cube is cheaper, more fun, and you can enjoy a beer while you play. WotC is not getting any more of my money.

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