Comments on: Beating Eldrazi with Grixis Control https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 06 Mar 2016 19:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 By: Philip Tribbia https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124825 Sun, 06 Mar 2016 19:30:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124825 Managed with Grixis Control to make day 2 with a 7-2 record.

Blue Moon 1-2
Living End 2-1
Affinity 2-1
Affinity 2-1
Naya Burn 2-1
Goyo Vengeance 2-1
Naya Burn 0-2
Scapeshift 2-1
Collected Company Elves 2-1

Day 2… haha… got peaced out.
UW Eldrazi 0-2
Infect 0-2
UW Eldrazi 0-2

Overall was very happy with the deckids and learned where I could improve my game.

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By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124824 Fri, 04 Mar 2016 05:47:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124824 I’m really excited to see Grixis doing well :D. Since we know madness is coming soon thanks to the spoiled Fiery Temper, do you think a madness engine fueling Liliana of the Veil will push Grixis Control into Tier 1 territory? That synergy alone with Big Game Hunter might be worth consieration, given that your list still has a fair amount of a tap-out control element to it.

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By: Jesse Bammann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124823 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 17:24:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124823 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

Your welcome, you deserve to hear positivity instead of negativity when you create for others as you do, and I apologize for the assertion you saw us all the same in a permanent sense instead of just feeling poorly from the previous articles. All apologies aside your articles on context revolutionized my understanding of our game and modern as a whole, now I can truly say I know why a card is played and it’s context that allows it to continue seeing play. I’ve never been better at this game and I have Jordan, Sheridan, and you Trevor to thank for it. Keep up the amazing work and know I and many others support you for all that you do for us readers

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By: Lee Mather https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124822 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 17:02:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124822 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

Thanks for the reply, I think remand is a great choice for most decks that tap for U, it was more that there was only one in the deck I was curious about. I’d either run 2-4 or none at all but that’s just me.

With regards Dark Confidant I was just talking to myself out loud against suggesting it as a replacement specifically because of the relatively high CMC of the cards you might reveal off the top, the two biggest offenders were the delve cards. Not that I made it super clear.

As for your temperature issues I’d be super curious to take a screwdriver to the thing and work it out.

Without poking around though my generic, hopefully helpful suggestions would be;

Blast the entire thing with compressed air (I doubt dust is causing this degree of heat but it’s good practice)

Check your north bridge fan if you have one. If you’re over clocking at all then the blocky heatsink that most MB’s ship with might not be enough to handle the extra heat. They usually take 40mm fans.

After it shuts down check to see if the chip is actually hot. A faulty sensor might read 115 and kill itself so it doesn’t melt but the actual temp might not get above 75. (this one I’m clutching at straws with, I’ve never known a MB sensor to go that far out of whack)

Good luck!

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By: Beryl Lasko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124821 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:01:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124821 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

Thank you for the reply! I’m still going to fiddle with the Goblin for now, it may have just been luck that I’ve had good success with it, but it’s definitely not an early turn card, but great on the back end! But I see what your talking about.

I’m also going to stick with the Cliques. I didn’t mention this in my prior comment, but I never liked Jace, and I own 3, and have had them in my deck, but his clock seems way too slow for me in the early game. He just sits there for a whole turn, and then I’m too focused on getting him to flip afterwards. IDK, maybe I’m doing something wrong.

Thanks again!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124820 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:23:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124820 In reply to Frank Bruzzese.

Thanks for the suggestions, I probably will make that switch and give it a try!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124819 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:22:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124819 In reply to RJ Sims.

Thanks!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124818 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:22:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124818 In reply to Nicholas Andrew.

It’s a desktop PC, I’ll just link you to my cry for help if you’re interested:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2976892/experiencing-random-shutdowns-possibly-overheating.html

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124817 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:20:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124817 In reply to Lee Mather.

Lee,

I’m not playing Confidant so delve costs don’t matter for me? Vapor Snag is card disadvantage and really only works if we can take advantage of the tempo, which is difficult. Bitterblossom is a holdover from before, where it was great against Twin and solid against Affinity, Infect, and even Amulet Bloom.

I will always play a singleton Remand over a playset of Mana Leak. One, Leaks tend to be boarded out as matchups become more reactive and opponents play around it. Also, just having options has value, and Remand is great in blue mirrors as you can do all sorts of spicy tricks.

So, I replaced my stock heatsink fan with a Liquid Cooler (I’m using the Corsair H55). I re-applied thermal paste and checked my connectors, I can hear the coolant moving through the tubes and I see the fan running, after re-applying paste my PC stayed on for a good 30 minutes (when it normally shuts down within five) but ended up shutting off again when the CPU temps read 115*Celsius!!! There’s no way that’s possible as boiling water would destroy the tubing and my CPU would melt, so it has to be another issue. My BIOS is out of date and needs an update but I’m worried if my PC shuts down while flashing the BIOS I’ll brick my PC (which I definitely don’t want to happen). I’m not sure what to do from here.

Thanks!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124816 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:14:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124816 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

Now that we aren’t seeing opposing Tasigur’s out of Grixis (all flavors of Grixis) I actually like Doom Blade a lot more. I think Spellskite is a narrow case and normally doesn’t matter that much against us as we have so much removal (and we can put our opponent way behind if we ever draw a Kolaghan’s Command)

Great suggestion!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124815 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:11:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124815 In reply to Tim Estes.

Tim,

Thanks, and I’m glad you liked the article! Some readers found the tone a little rough, but I’m glad the tongue-in-cheek sarcasm was visible and I enjoy hearing someone enjoys my poor humor (I think I’m a lot funnier than I actually am)

Thanks for reading!
Trevor

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124814 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:09:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124814 In reply to Beryl Lasko.

Beryl,

For better or worse, I will probably never give up Grixis Control. 🙂 I’ll take your points one by one:

Try the deck without Pia and Kiran for a while. Tasigur and Gurmag Angler are strong, fun, and offer a unique angle of attack that’s worth experimenting with.

See my above comment to Jacob on Tombstalker!

Goblin Dark Dwellers seems like it’s just a little too expensive for me. I’ll put it this way: For five mana, we are getting a 4/4 Menace with the possibility of a free spell. On one hand, we have Tarmogoyf, the baseline for a strong creature in Magic. For two mana you can get a 4/5 most of the time, so we’re definitely overpaying as Menace (and not having to play green) is not worth three mana. On the other hand, we have a free Snapcaster Mage effect. In the best case scenario of us flashing back something costing three we are spending Snapcaster Mage mana but getting a 4/4 menace instead of a 2/1. This seems “okay” but we lose all of that flexibility that comes with Snapcaster Mage and Goblin Dark Dweller forces us to tap out in our main phase.

Maybe that card is worth it, but I would imagine it in a Jund-style shell before a reactive Grixis list.

I’ve been known to play a Vendilion Clique in the past, often when I wanted a little extra help against Twin, and Tron, and other combo decks. Not sure if it’s great for this format, but it can hit relatively hard and fast. I think this one just comes down to preference and playstyle.

Good luck!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124813 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:02:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124813 In reply to Jesse Bammann.

Hey Jesse,

Thank you for your support and your kind words! I apologize if my tone came off as disparaging to you, one of the supporters, that was never my intention.

I will admit that a lot of the negative comments were directly responsible for my tone this week (I did reference “pre-empting” the opposition) but it was never my intention to alienate any of the readers that appreciate my work. I ABSOLUTELY do not see all of my readers as the same, and I don’t take the vocal opposition as representative of the whole. Thank you again for your support and your kind words and I’m glad you like my work! The opportunity to help other players with their game is the reason I write, and will continue to write in the future.

Trevor

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124812 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 01:59:01 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124812 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

Patrick Chapin has wrote about this a few times, I’ll paraphrase what he said because I (A) can’t find his article and (B) he summed it up perfectly.

How often will the BB vs. B matter compared to the benefit of flying? Pretty often, I would expect. We lose the ability to ever cast it on Turn 2 with a Thought Scour draw, and we lose the ability to cast it on Turn 3 with removal/Mana Leak backup. Past those early turns, having to spend BB means we probably can’t play a B based removal spell until we untap (as we won’t often have BBB available). Seems like we’re risking too much just to gain flying, which is great in Modern but not worth the drawbacks I think.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124811 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 01:56:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124811 In reply to Craig Cliburn.

Taking a second look at Kalitas, I actually like a lot of what that card has to offer. If we make two tokens we’re significantly ahead, even the expectation of only making one creature might be enough to justify playing it.

I think if we’re playing one or two copies of Kalitas we might need to trim down to one Damnation. I think that’s fine if we’re still playing Thought Scour, as that significantly helps us dig to it for flipped Jace or Snapcaster Mage. Something to consider.

Doom Blade does seem like there’s little to no drawback, it was a liability when there were other Grixis decks and Dark Confidant to worry about, but Confidant is really the only black creature being played that I can think of off the top of my head and everything else we have answers it.

Great points, thanks for the suggestions!

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By: Kim Josefsen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124810 Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:59:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124810 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Bolt is less than exciting against a swarm of creatures with 4 or more toughness.

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By: Jesse Bammann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124809 Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:32:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124809 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

No problem, I had a nagging voice in my head telling me I was half wrong, but great work by the way on the wheel because I write it out and use it more than any sideboard guide. I would call the wheel articles and the context articles Trevor wrote about cards context being so important my two favorites from here. They easily helped me level up my game more than anyone or other article, so thank you for that Jordan and Trevor. And I’m glad the hateful comments are gone as well, now we can go back to discussing the reason we’re all here, magic 🙂

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By: Frank Bruzzese https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124808 Fri, 26 Feb 2016 15:49:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124808 Give Kalitas a try. He’s absolutely amazing, and gives you some implicit protection against the combo portion of the Company decks. PnK is a great magic card, but I feel that Kalitas does more of what we want to be doing right now. I know Cryptic Command is a powerful magic card, but it puts a remarkable strain on your mana base for just a one of. I’d recommend switching it out for a Kalitas.

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By: Philip Tribbia https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124807 Fri, 26 Feb 2016 14:39:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124807 I do agree that 70% win ratio sounds a bit high haha. But oh well.

Trevor I’ll test out your list later this week, but feel pretty comfortable with my current list for the Detroit GP. I can email a list if you like. Been a dedicated Grixis player for about a year. So have played most builds. And have a rather good testing team for online and paper.

Initial impressions of your list is that it is not properly suited for both extreme spectrums of our current meta. Which is Linear Aggro and Linear Combo. Aggro you are covered, but you are lacking vs combo.

Being midrange isn’t the best course of action these days, but we can hang in there till April haha.

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By: RJ Sims https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/beating-eldrazi-with-grixis-control/#comment-2124806 Fri, 26 Feb 2016 05:42:31 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7851#comment-2124806 Nothing more than: Good article 🙂

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