Comments on: Seeking Some Company for a Broken Metagame https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:26:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124539 Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:26:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124539 BGx is actually a very favorable matchup if you’re on Abzan Company. It turns out the 1-for-1 decks struggle with a CoCo/Eternal Witness deck that also plays 3 Gavony Township.

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By: PCOBRI https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124538 Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:04:23 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124538 In reply to David Ernenwein.

Over committing isn’t the issue. When people are meta gaming to dominate creature decks no amount of Collected Companies are going to give you the advantage against decks like Scapeshift, UWx control with access to 8+ MD board wipes or a quality hand from Lantern Control.

4 Denials are just dead unless you have a Goyf or Knight already sitting at 4 Power not to mention how bad they can be in specific matchups. Remand lets you actually cycle to Combo. The issue I currently have with Path as a card is ramping Eldrazi, I’m back and forth on it at this point.. Dismember is less mana intensive on a 4 color deck where white and red are your splash colors.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124537 Wed, 17 Feb 2016 05:56:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124537 In reply to David Ernenwein.

I guess I should mention that when I talk about Geist of Saint Traft, it’s because Eldrazi tend to go “all-out” on their attacks, and that’s a big part of what makes them so dangerous. Leaving blockers back for Geist slows down their aggro game, and thus buys you a bit of time to breathe. Furthermore, a Geist + Worship strategy (probably out of the sideboard, as it’s a tad clunky to be in the main) is a free win against either deck.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124536 Wed, 17 Feb 2016 05:19:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124536 In reply to Eric.

I’d be careful with 8Rack. A regular at my LGS played it for months and he had to dedicate most of his board space to be reasonable against aggro. In game one if he didn’t draw Bridge he almost always lost. You are right about it crushing combo and midrange. Not saying that it isn’t an option, but know what you’re getting into and prepare your sideboard accordingly.

I’d advise you to go with GB Rack so you have access to Ancient Stirrings to find your racks and Bridges more consistently.

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By: Eric https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124535 Wed, 17 Feb 2016 03:11:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124535 If I were playing in a GP soon, I’d be playing an Ensnaring Bridge deck. Probably 8Rack, as it’s way less taxing to play than Lantern Control. 8Rack seems to do pretty well to aggro decks, and tends to crush combo lists. If you can dodge GR Tron, which seems easy to do in this meta, then Jund is the only deck I’d worry too much about.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124534 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:11:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124534 In reply to Anonymous.

You’re welcome! Glad to be of help.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124533 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:09:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124533 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

No sure about Geist unless you’re planning of going a Bogles route with him (which might be very good right now) since there are so many creatures running around, but I agree that Processors’ drop off gives decks like these a much better chance than before. I think this deck and the Twin experiments show that allowing decks to cut interaction is generally a bad thing, but since this is the world we’re in now might as well take advantage.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124532 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:06:06 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124532 In reply to PCOBRI.

I agree. I think that Kiki Chord is not well positioned at the moment simply because of how hostile the anti-Eldrazi decks are, which is why Collected Company is so important at letting you rebuild after boardwipes. If you’re struggling I would advise you to alter your playstyle and intend to play a much longer game and avoid committing very much to the board. Also Mistveil Plains is surprisingly powerful with all the Tutors that Chord runs, you might try that.

I like the idea of your Knightfall list, but given the low creature count I would try to play more protection for them. I’d cut the Remands for a full set of Stubborn Denial to really protect your Knights and Goyfs. Also, is Dismember really better than Path? Your manabase is damaging enough as is, do you really want to take more?

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124531 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:13:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124531 Strong article, David, and good point in bringing up Knightfall. I suspect the reason why it dropped off the map was because the BCx Eldrazi Processors deck was a miserable matchup for it (4 maindeck Relics, and sometimes even more ‘yard hate on top of that), but now that deck has been replaced by the URC and mono-C rushdown variants. I think that Geist of Saint Traft and Knight of the Reliquary are problematic cards for Eldrazi to begin with, and having the threat of a instant-win combo looming over their heads only makes it worse. Definitely a deck to explore.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124530 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:27:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124530 This is a great article. It brings something old that players can see from the past as well as several new lists that are both fun and competitive. In a never ending stream of Eldrazi articles, this was a breath of fresh air. There should definitely be more articles like this one. Well done David.

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By: PCOBRI https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/02/seeking-company-broken-metagame/#comment-2124529 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:32:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=7592#comment-2124529 Hey David,

Good read, one thing I feel is being heavily overlooked is the way the meta will shift to react to Eldrazi. I’ve been testing/playing Collected Company since the card was spoiled and as much as I love the decks, modern is moving towards more and more creature hate to combat the Eldrazi decks. Board wipes (actually got Terminus’d multiple times last night), Ensnaring Bridge and Blood Moon are going to be in full effect. With GP Detroit in just 2 weeks I’m really torn where I want to be as playing something heavily creature based just feels like I’m going to get next leveled by the people prepped for Eldrazi.

This is the deck that’s taken up most of my time spent playing modern over the last 8 months. The initial shell is based around the Tay Jun Hao’s list that top 8’d GP Singapore featuring both Collected Company, Chord of Calling, Fauna Shaman and the angry Goblin.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/coco-kiki-chord/

While it performs fine against Eldrazi, often out-valuing them if they’re not just sitting on the Turn two 8-15 point swing.. we’re poorly favored against the decks metagaming to beat Eldrazi. I’ll probably continue testing this list and I feel well positions against Affinity, Eldrazi, Infect, Tron, Jund and Abzan Company however I’m having a ton of second thoughts at the moment.

Also, here’s my current Knightfall List that I’ll be testing for the GP –

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tempo-knightfall-1/

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