Comments on: Prepare for Falling Shadows https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 18 Mar 2016 19:22:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: ColumnMissing https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124992 Fri, 18 Mar 2016 19:22:50 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124992 In reply to David Ernenwein.

Ha, sorry. I thought this was a different author.

Honestly, I don’t have enough test data to really tell if this is the better build. So far I’m enjoying it, but I really need to hop on Cockatrice or Xmage to pound out some games. Want to join in some time?

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124991 Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:42:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124991 In reply to ColumnMissing.

I remember that, and I think you’re in the minority on that though I really can’t comment beyond that since you’re right you aren’t weak to graveyard hate but your clock is slower. I also think you’ll have a harder time hitting delirium, though that may not matter to you. Still if you’re having success, don’t change what you’re doing.

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By: ColumnMissing https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124990 Thu, 17 Mar 2016 16:40:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124990 As stated on another article’s comment section, I’ve been having great success with grixis control without Thought Scour or the focus on Delve threats. It helps get rid of the deck’s weakness to grave hate, for sure. I’m running Chapin’s list with: -1 Cryptic, +1 land. -3 Gurmag, +2 Kalitas +1 Clique. -4 Thought Scour, +4 Inquisition.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124989 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 05:10:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124989 In reply to Kim Josefsen.

Hmm, nice catch. MTGSalvation is usually more reliable than that. Doesn’t really impact its function, but still, should have been correct.

If Eye goes Tron may lose its default inevitability, but I’m not sure it really needed it anymore with Ulamog taking over for Emrakul. I’ve actually wondered if banning Eye might not make Tron better since it frees up a utility slot to cover some of its weaknesses.

I think you may be disappointed there. So far all the clue makers have been either white or artifacts, and since the mechanic is called Investigate, I doubt we’ll see any in red, though blue is still a possibility. UR Shape may not work out, but I’ll bet that UW will still work.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124988 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 05:08:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124988 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

If there’s a new cantrip then Delver absolutely becomes a deck again (which is why I doubt Wizards will make another one). I was deliberately only talking about control because tempo is Jordan’s thing, but you are absolutely right, Surgery is a natural fit for Delver, probably more so than Grixis. I suspect that if Visions gets unbanned it will benefit control more than Delver, but it would certainly help revive the deck. Anything is possible, we haven’t seen the full set yet and this IS Delver’s home plane…

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124987 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 03:44:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124987 I think that Delver and other tempo decks should be considered when talking about what could arise from the ashes of the post-Eldrazi meta. Their toolbox is deep enough to handle most of what aggro, combo, and Tron decks can throw at them, and Invasive Surgery is right up their alley (as it’s pretty trivial for that sort of deck to reach Delirium). Furthermore, if we were to get any kind of unban for a blue card such as Ancestral Vision or a new cantrip in Shadows over Innistrad, their offense would be consistent enough for them to be considered a contender again. It’s not a slam dunk (as I do feel that the deck needs a consistency bump in order to be truly competitive), but it’s possible.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124986 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 03:40:30 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124986 In reply to Chris Striker.

I don’t like to speculate about new decks, especially before the whole set is spoiled, but I do think that players will return to control decks with Eldrazi gone so anything is possible.
I’m a little skeptical of Anguished Unmaking in Modern. Three life is a lot when most decks are fetching and shocking themselves already and Burn is a deck. If you really need to exile a creature Path to Exile is better and honestly there aren’t many non-land permanents that have to be exiled. Maybe as a two of against Lantern Control, but if that’s what you need you can do better.
Faeries has almost been a deck for some time now, so I’m open to the possibility that it could become one with the right metagame and some new cards. I don’t see any yet from Shadows, but it could still happen.

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By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124985 Tue, 15 Mar 2016 23:58:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124985 David, I notice that your article doesn’t really explore the possibilities of new control decks that could arise. I suspect that in the post-Eldrazi metagame, we will see a higher quantity of lower to the ground aggro decks and harder control decks, as you’ve outlined in Grixis and Azorius. I’d posit that there’s a strong argument for a 2-3 color Faeries list to do well in that kind of metagame, especially now that we’ve seen Anguished Unmaking as an Esper cleanup card.

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By: Kim Josefsen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/prepare-falling-shadows/#comment-2124984 Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:30:44 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8209#comment-2124984 This may be a nitpick but the picture you have for Invasive Surgery has the oracle text slightly wrong. Compare it to http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/invasivesurgery.html where the text has an “search the (…) for any number of cards with the same name” clause rather than “search the … for cards with the same name”

Otherwise, this is a great article as always, I largely agree with the assessment you make for the meta. I do think that if they ban eye, it being the biggest offender of the sol lands in my opinion, the tron vs control matchup should be less lopsided(though still not 50-50).

I do look forward to SOI spoilers, I’m severely hoping for an investigate counter or cantrip, heck anything in UR that works, for Shape Anew.

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