Comments on: The Horror! Brewing UB Horror Control in Modern https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:04:39 +0000 hourly 1 By: Scott Edward https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125142 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:04:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125142 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

Hi Darcy- thank you for the feedback and suggestions! The Spike in me agrees with your critique about 90%, but hey what can I say- I love to brew! Hunted Horror + Echoing Truth has been strong enough to pull out a couple of games on it’s own, but as you pointed out, it shines most with Thing in the Ice (can be a terrible late game top deck I agree! but there’s a lot of natural synergies here which make the drawbacks less severe than you might think). Splashing white for Declaration in Stone and Path to Exile is also quite appealing, so I will be testing that out next.

Chasm Skulker is fantastic flavor, and could do some damage in combination with mid/late game cantrips + Thing in the Ice, but I’m not sure it’s strong enough. If only it had Flying! Repeal is a terrific suggestion however and I thought about putting in a couple in place of Vapor Snag, as drawing a card is likely better than the 1 loss of life.

Thanks again! Cheers!

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By: Scott Edward https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125141 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:40:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125141 In reply to Lee Mather.

Hi Lee- I appreciate the feedback and suggestions! I could imagine Torpor Orb in the sideboard potentially (has game against Collected Company decks), but it seems a little too narrow for the main deck.

Clock Spinning is interesting, but since Thing In the Ice would be the only main deck synergy, my concern is that it would sit in your hand much of the time (you could also remove counters from opponents creatures and Planeswalkers I suppose.) I’ve been toying with the idea of a couple Vampire Hexmage’s as well, which would fill a similar role, but also play offense and defense if need be.

Thanks again for reading and the suggestions. Cheers!

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125140 Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:44:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125140 Its very unlikely that hunted horror is worth the trouble here. Thing is already its own problem child by being a bad topdeck and requiring four other spells in order to be good – so adding cards that are only really good if thing in the ice works is a recipe for failure.

If you’re just going for style points, check out chasm skulker which goes nicely with Thing and blue cantrips. And if you’re really stuck on the hunted horror maybe slide in some repeals. One mana to bounce a centaur, draw a card and put a counter off the thing in the ice is solid, and it can solve/slow down opponents plans.

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By: Lee Mather https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125139 Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:41:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125139 I’ve not played much in the way of this vein of deck but I’m super excited to see mainboard Hunted Horror!

My suggestions tend towards the janky, but you’re getting them anyway. Cards that might work in either Main or board or not at all.

Torpor orb to shut off ETB decks and also the drawback from Hunted Horror’s ETB effect. Probably a cheeky sideboard card for me.

Clockspinning – instant – U
Buyback {3}
Choose a counter on target permanent or suspended card. Remove that counter from that permanent or card or put another of those counters on it.

Oh yes. The jank is strong here. It’s an instant so it removes an ice counter from thing in the ice, the spell resolves and it then lets you remove a second ice counter. Five mana will peel off all four counters from Thing in the Ice.

Instant, spell effect, instant, spell effect, U and {3} for the first one with buyback, U for the second one with no buyback.

It will also technically do loyalty counters on planeswalkers and sunburst counters from engineered explosives from the sideboard too. I’d run one main deck. Maybe more in the SB.

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By: Scott Edward https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125138 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:42:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125138 In reply to Nicholas Andrew.

Hi Nicholas Thank you for the kind words, I appreciate it! Stubborn Denial is interesting as it has potential synergy with Hunted Horror and a flipped Thing In the Ice as you stated. My main concern however, is that G1 it would be too narrow against aggro match ups and be a conditional Force Spike against others. Dispel and Negate are currently in the board for combo/control match ups, their primary upside being that they’re hard counters. I also considered Spell Pierce as a 1 or 2 of, which would play a similar role.

I have not tested it yet, but a Grixis build is certainly appealing as access to Lightning Bolt and other burn spells would be nice against Centaur tokens created by Hunted Horror (which have protection from black) removal in general, and the ability to close out tight games. I’ve also considered splashing white for Path to Exile/Declaration in Stone to get the best of both worlds. Thank you once again for the feedback and suggestions! Cheers!

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By: Scott Edward https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125137 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:36:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125137 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Hi Roland- Thank you for the feedback! Depending upon the match up/board state things definitely play out more like a tempo/mid-range deck rather than “traditional control.” Sometimes you can afford to be more aggressive with your play-style depending upon yours and your opponents draw, so it makes this build sort of a hybrid between tempo and control. In some games I’ve definitely wanted to see more spot removal. Doom Blade and Slaughter Pact are fine choices, but I also want spells that can hit Centaur tokens (they have protection from black) Siege Rhinos etc. I’ve considered splashing white for Path to Exile/Declaration in Stone and I will likely test that configuration next to see if that hedges me in various match ups. Thanks again for the feedback and suggestions. Cheers!

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By: Scott Edward https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125136 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:28:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125136 In reply to Chris Striker.

Hi Chris- Thank you, I appreciate it! Stubborn Denial is interesting as it has potential synergy with Hunted Horror and a flipped Thing In the Ice. My main concern however, is that G1 it would be too narrow against aggro match ups and be a conditional Force Spike against others. Dispel and Negate are currently in the board for combo/control match ups, their primary upside being that they’re hard counters. I also considered Spell Pierce as a 1 or 2 of, which could play a similar role. Thanks again for the feedback and suggestion! Cheers!

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By: Nicholas Andrew https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125135 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:44:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125135 Great article. Thank you. I’m definitely going to sleeve something similar together when I get my playset of Things…

A couple suggestions, if I may be so bold:
I would really consider Stubborn Denial as at least a pair. It plays well with both Hunted Horror and Thing in Ice (flipped), and could also lead to removing the last counter from the Thing.

My initial reaction to your list was also “Why not go Grixis and have access to Bolt/Terminate?” Dropping the Vapor Snag for Lightning Bolt almost seems worth the mana base trouble to me. Have you done any testing in a Grixis shell?

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125134 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:43:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125134 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Well, that’s odd. Not sure what those videos are doing here. The point that they interrupted was that 2 Spellskite in the 75 seems fine, and you could potentially try out a Revoker in the sideboard.

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By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125133 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:42:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125133 In reply to Scott Edward.

Nice article Scott! It’s worth noting (since you don’t explicity point it out) that your Spellskite horrors also block Hunted Horror tokens without any issue. I’m curious whether you considered Stubborn Denial, since the threats you care about protecting trigger ferocious for you. Provides additional combo hate in the mainboard as well.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125132 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:42:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125132 I think you’re doing yourself a bit of a disservice only thinking of this deck as control – it also looks like it’s pretty capable of playing a midrange/tempo game, depending on the matchup. I think a 3rd threat (preferably Phyrexian Obliterator as described above if you can get the mana base to work) would do the deck some good (especially against BGx Midrange), and I think that 2 Skites in the 75 should be sufficient, if you’re looking for something to cut in order to add Phyrexian Revoker. You might also want to consider a bit of spot removal – I think that Doom Blade or Slaughter Pact will be pretty decently positioned going forward.

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By: Scott Edward https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125131 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:21:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125131 In reply to Bill Drischler.

Thanks for the feedback Bill! I considered Phyrexian Revoker as well, but couldn’t find room. In a meta with lots of Affinity and Tron however, I could definitely see squeezing in a couple copies somewhere in the 75. I’ve also had a long time love affair with with Obliterator and may try out a list that’s more “tap out” control with a higher creature count. Thanks again and let me know if you have any other questions on the list. Cheers!

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By: Bill Drischler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/03/the-horror-brewing-ub-horror-control-in-modern/#comment-2125130 Thu, 31 Mar 2016 16:47:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8684#comment-2125130 It seems a shame not to include phyrexian revoker or obliterator somewhere in the list, they are both awesome horrors!

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