Comments on: Modern Banlist Update (4/4/2016): Eye of Ugin banned, Vision and Sword unbanned https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:59:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125190 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:59:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125190 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Eldrazi seems like it should be totally fine after the Eye ban, although not quite a Tier 0 monstrosity. We also might see Temples and Eldrazi as bullets in two-colored lists like D&T, Hatebears, Tron, Blue Moon, etc. It’s going to be an interesting next few months, and I too will be packing considerable artifact hate.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125189 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:58:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125189 In reply to Noah Bruner.

I genuinely believe they didn’t tie them to the Twin banning because they wanted to see how Modern shaped up. If anything, the marketing motive would have wanted them tied to the Twin ban to try and mitigate the fallout that happened. That said, it’s very possible that unbanning cards after Eldrazi Winter was done as a consolation to Modern players who were upset with the format. So it’s probably a mix of intentions.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125188 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:56:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125188 In reply to Ricardo Takeda.

I 100% agree that Wizards wanted to wait and see what post-Twin Modern looked like before launching any unbans. That said, I too am surprised Wizards was willing to unban cards with such minimal data. We only had 2-3 weeks of post-Twin, pre-Eldrazi Modern, and I definitely don’t think that’s enough time to see the metagame go one way or another. That said, whether Wizards made the unbans as a gamble to “apologize” for the Eldrazi Winter, or just wanted to push Modern a bit more towards interactivity (having seen what many of the non-Eldrazi decks at the PT looked like), I’m happy with the result. We’ll need to wait and see, but if your concern was linearity, you might be back in the Modern action well before 2017!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125187 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:51:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125187 In reply to Chris Striker.

It’s very possible we see such cards return to the limelight, especially Redirect which has no life cost and can even protect against Become Immense, at least as long as there’s another creature on the board.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125186 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:47:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125186 In reply to Tanner Chase.

Added a few words to clear that up. Good catch!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125185 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:46:36 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125185 In reply to Erik Perel.

Goblin Dark Dwellers will rise from the depths!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125184 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:45:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125184 In reply to Ian Robertson.

Very pumped to see these changes too. Modern needed some blue love after the Twin bans, and I’m excited to see Sword, Foundry, and Vision enable a host of new decks. Can’t wait to see the first post-unban events!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125183 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:44:05 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125183 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

Hate when that happens. I always try to hold off on deck decisions until after bans/unbans are decided: I’ve been tabling my Belcher deck for a while because I was scared of a Guide ban, and now I’m bringing it back. I think you can do worse than Mardu in this metagame. You’re still getting maindecked Kolaghan’s to handle the combo, although you don’t get access to the same toys like those other decks do. Sadly, the switch from Mardu to Jeskai involves Snapcasters, so it’s not an easy one. Let us know how it turns out!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125182 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:42:09 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125182 In reply to Beryl Lasko.

One thing I did back in 2012 was secure a playset of most of the banned cards, in the (sometimes unlikely) event any of them got unbanned. The prices are high on many of these cards, but it’s still not a bad idea if you ever have the change to spare. Vision, at least, is now free!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125181 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 21:40:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125181 In reply to Jake Douma.

I’m also pumped about these cards, but am not remotely worried about their impact on BGx Midrange decks. It’s inevitable that powerful unbans will push down other decks, and players can’t have it both ways. Either powerful, top-tier decks stay at the top and we get no meaningful unbans, or we get cool unbans that shake things up. I’m all for the latter and think Modern could use it after years of extremely conservative unbans. Excited to see how all the Vision and control decks turn out!

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By: Noah Bruner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125180 Tue, 05 Apr 2016 21:13:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125180 In reply to Ricardo Takeda.

I think it’s a marketing thing. These unbannings have been pretty much universally praised. If that had been tied to a Twin banning (which would be obviously controversial), there might be less excitement overall.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125179 Tue, 05 Apr 2016 04:15:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125179 Truly, a brave new world. I’m looking forward to seeing how the metagame shakes out – it’s pretty clear that control will be better positioned than it was, thanks to the additions of Ancestral Vision and Sword of the Meek, but I’m wondering how that increased presence will dictate which decks sink or swim. I’m also thinking about whether the Eldrazi deck will survive (I think so – the creature lineup is still quite good even if they’re not as blazing fast as they were) and in what form (I think the colorless Eldrazi are quite good, but I’m more skeptical of the likes of Eldrazi Skyspawner, Drowner of Hope, and Eldrazi Displacer). Last but not least… I’ve never felt as good about having 4 Hurkyl’s Recall in my Merfolk sideboard than I do right now. Artifact hate is going to be HUGE going forward.

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By: Ian Robertson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125178 Tue, 05 Apr 2016 02:33:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125178 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

I’m aware, but depending on how far invested you may have become, there is always a chance for you to switch before investing further.

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By: Ricardo Takeda https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125177 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 22:09:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125177 Genuinely surprised to see unbans (and two of then!!) along with the expected ban.
At the same time I find it baffling to see these unbans now.
Why not unban those cards along with the bloom/twin banning in January? The only reason I can think of was to see what a modern without twin would look like.
The last 3 months told us nothing but “eldrazi with 8 sol lands is busted” and no useful data can actually be acquired from that period.
Anyway if it means halting linear dumb decks. I’m in. I’m just kind of worried about the sword.
I think it will be either boom or bust thing, either becoming one of the best combos in modern (but probably not broken) or fringe/rogue, like BB.
AV is great. I think the card will see play in specific decks and be a decent player in the format, much like Wild Nactl became.
Maybe I’ll come back to modern sooner than 2017 🙂

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By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125176 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 19:56:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125176 These unbannings give UB an extraordinary amount of power. Here come out of the woodwork gems like Imp’s Mischief to steal all of the cards forever! I cannot wait. On a serious positive, little previously unplayed Redirects like Mischief seem like just what the Doctor ordered to keep BG/x firmly in line, since Mischief can also pseudo counter counterspells.

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By: Tanner Chase https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125175 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 19:31:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125175 One small criticism. “One big question mark still surrounds this update: is it enough to push back linear decks or are they just empty appeasements for control players? Time will tell, but I’m leaning heavily towards ‘No.'” This statement was confusing. If you left it at, “One big question mark still surrounds this update: is it enough to push back linear decks?” followed by “yes” would make your point clear. Or saying “no” to “empty appeasements for control players”. In the current form an “or” statement is presented but it is followed by “no”. Meaning “no” to both possibilities. I was able to figure out what you meant from context clues in later sentences but it was very confusing for the start of a paragraph. Maybe I’m just missing the whole point. Otherwise good read. Thank you for the update.

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By: Erik Perel https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125174 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:54:44 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125174 Turn one: suspend AV.

Turns two-four: establish control of board.

Turn five: AV comes off suspend; draw three cards; cast GDD, targeting AV; draw three more cards; profit.

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125173 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:31:06 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125173 In reply to Ian Robertson.

That’s Jeskai. I was saying I had a W/B shell and had just decided on red instead of blue as my third color. :/

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By: Ian Robertson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125172 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:25:47 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125172 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

UWR with Ancestral Visions and Goblin Dark Dwellers seems really decent. Goblin DD is not as good as Shardless Agent or Bloodbraid but its the best we have right now. I don’t imagine that the five mana casting cost is too much for a control deck that likes to go long like UWR.

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By: Ian Robertson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/04/modern-banlist-update-eye-of-ugin-banned-vision-and-sword-unbanned/#comment-2125171 Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:19:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=8746#comment-2125171 I am absolutely thrilled about these unbans. Sword of the Meek in particular opens up the possibility of a new combo deck as well as control decks in modern. That combined with Eye of Ugin ban mean UW tron is much more viable (it was a dog to RG tron in the “mirror” match). Not to mention UB/Esper Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas decks and UW Tezzerator decks are attractive as well. I haven’t been this excited about modern in the past few years.

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