Comments on: Breakout Archetypes and Metagame Lessons from GP Charlotte https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 27 May 2016 22:26:28 +0000 hourly 1 By: Michael Ferguson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/#comment-2125672 Fri, 27 May 2016 22:26:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9685#comment-2125672 In reply to Tectardo.

Games in which both players have decision trees beyond “did I bring and then DRAW sideboard hoser _____” or “my goldfish is faster than yours” are not boring. Wanting to win is justifiable cause for playing mindless linear decks, wanting to have fun is not.

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By: Tectardo https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/#comment-2125671 Fri, 27 May 2016 16:16:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9685#comment-2125671 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

We see fair strategies all around in standard and I personally want to play modern not just for stronger cards but for different means to win. Being fair is boring.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/#comment-2125670 Fri, 27 May 2016 16:13:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9685#comment-2125670 Content aside, the Ad Nauseam decklist in this article is incorrect. Ganz played only 2 Temple of Enlightenment, making for a total of 60 mainboard cards.

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By: justaguy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/#comment-2125669 Fri, 27 May 2016 09:19:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9685#comment-2125669 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

The problem is that no other author matches Sheridan for quality of post.

Sheridan sticks to the facts, is generally unemotional about his comments and then is willing to acknowledge his mistakes and then tries to see why he made such errors and if there’s anything to be learnt from them.

He also has the type of article series that allows him to keep writing weekly.

Jordan’s original article was actually what many wanted (an overview of RUG Delver after it won that SCG event), but it’s difficult to follow on that type of article – so we got a bunch of Jordan’s articles about ‘Monkey Grow’ which didn’t really sate any appetites (we already got the primer we wanted). He then followed that with a bunch of primers on decks no-one really cared for.

Trevor has a similar problem – the original articles on Grixis Control were great, but an author can’t sustain themselves on just writing on a single deck. Especially when they’re emotionally invested in the deck. Trevor has started branching into meta-analysis (see this article), but it makes no sense after Sheridan’s article in the same week (which is infinitely better).

Monday’s article by Ryan M Overturf was pretty much what everyone wanted (again). But I’d be interested to see how he could keep up the momentum by writing about the deck each and every week. It’s difficult, but you can see someone like Jeff Hoogland do it (with Kiki-Chord) – so it’s possible.

Modern Nexus might be best served trying to get a weekly deck tech on a break-out deck (ala RUG Delver, Grixis Control and now Grixis Delver) without requiring those authors to continuously provide content. And then figure out some sort of weekly schedule that isn’t just thoughts on a specific deck.

As it stands, I read everything Sheridan writes word for word – and then gloss over the rest. I can’t imagine I’m in the minority.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/#comment-2125668 Fri, 27 May 2016 06:35:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9685#comment-2125668 In reply to Ben Lunsford.

I have to agree with this – in the context of Sheridan’s article (which admittedly pooled data from LA and Charlotte, but still), these sentences made no sense. And in the case of an event as large as a GP, looking at just the Top 8 and making sweeping declarations about the metagame comes off as myopic – expand your sights to the Top 32 in Charlotte, and the Burn and Affinity pop right back up. They weren’t out in the same numbers as they were in LA, but they were around. And speaking of “old-guard format staples”… Isn’t that Jund by definition? It’s eaten 2 bannings and it’s still around. If that’s not a format staple, I don’t know what is.

Now granted, I still agree with a lot of what this article is saying: the metagame is trending to a fairer, more interaction-oriented place overall (mostly because it was awful hard for it to get LESS interactive, but that’s neither here nor there), current combo decks are either fast and resilient or have a value-based backup plan, and Collected Company proved that it’s still a metagame force to be reckoned with. I also appreciated the spotlight for decks like Knightfall (whose fringe status still mystifies me), Naya Company (which has come roaring back after being left for dead during Eldrazi Winter), and Kiki Chord (which is the latest deck to get on Team Nahiri). So I hope this post isn’t interpreted as unilateral negativity. I just think the point regarding linear aggro getting pushed out is a bit hyperbolic.

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/#comment-2125667 Thu, 26 May 2016 20:53:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9685#comment-2125667 In reply to Tectardo.

Why yes, I *would* be happy to see Modern become mostly about fair, interactive games where both players are involved in reciprocal decision-making. Thanks for asking.

I’ve been in the format for just under a year now, and it’s only just starting to look like it’s okay to actually try to play Magic with the other person at the table instead of just trying to ignore each other and hope your deck goes off faster than the other guy’s. Maybe I’m the outlier, but I see this as a good thing. I want competition, not recitation.

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By: Ben Lunsford https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/#comment-2125666 Thu, 26 May 2016 18:35:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9685#comment-2125666 I’m not very impressed with these sentences: “The old-guard format mainstays such as Affinity and Burn are nowhere to be found. While these archetypes have too strong of a pedigree to disappear entirely, for the moment it appears that they have successfully been pushed out of the picture.”

Why? Because simultaneous to GP Charlotte, the even larger GP Los Angeles was taking place and old-guard format mainstays like Affinity (and Merfolk) were all over it. In fact, the final match featured a 13 year-old (!) piloting Affinity (but losing in the most unlikely fashion to the fish).

As per the previous article on these GPs at Modern Nexus, Affinity was one of the two best performing archetypes over the weekend and was ANYTHING but “pushed out of the picture.” In contrast, it was one of the better Grand Prix weekends Affinity (or any archetype) has had.

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By: Tectardo https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/breakout-archetypes-gp-charlotte/#comment-2125665 Thu, 26 May 2016 16:35:04 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9685#comment-2125665 … But I mean are we would really be happy to see modern become goodstuff midrange strategies like those ones all around? Because sometimes I feel like it is everywhere at the top tables right now. Top 8 in this article is practically 5 creature value decks, two aggressive creature decks and one obscure combo (diamond in this sea of silly bears).

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