Comments on: Holding Grudges: Temur Delver at SCG States, Part II https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 04 May 2016 19:14:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125424 Wed, 04 May 2016 19:14:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125424 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Surgical’s a really elegant answer. And yeah, I think all versions of Dredge play 1-2 VP.

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By: Gino Killiko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125423 Wed, 04 May 2016 18:33:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125423 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

What does you facebook pic look like, I can’t find you :S

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By: Kevork Agh https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125422 Wed, 04 May 2016 18:01:31 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125422 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Thats my goal, but it rarely happens. At least in the past 2 match ups. Does the less color intensive version still run VP? I have surgical extraction in SB just for him.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125421 Wed, 04 May 2016 17:16:54 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125421 In reply to Kevork Agh.

That card can be a real pain if they set it up. Simic Charm will protect your guys from him; just try to get a lot of threats on the table and clean him up in 2-3 attacks and VP won’t hurt you too much.

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By: Kevork Agh https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125420 Wed, 04 May 2016 13:42:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125420 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Ive played against him many times, and the main reason I lose is Vengeful Pharaoh. Its games over when that card hits the GY. I can deal with most other things in his deck.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125419 Wed, 04 May 2016 00:25:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125419 In reply to Ricardo Takeda.

Thanks for the insight. I always thought it was a little weird, too, but I’ll take it!

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125418 Wed, 04 May 2016 00:24:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125418 In reply to Gino Killiko.

Yep, in Plateau. Find me on facebook!

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125417 Wed, 04 May 2016 00:24:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125417 In reply to Ryan Heuer.

I have tested against this deck a little online, and the less color-intensive versions are much better than the one Charles ended up winning the event with. His build would probably have been pretty easy to beat because Blood Moon wrecks it. I don’t think that list is optimal, but this deck is real, and we’ll see it in the future for sure.

-1 Snapcaster Mage
-3 Mana Leak
-3 Gitaxian Probe

+3 Blood Moon
+2 Pyroclasm
+1 Curiosity
+1 Mountain

I keep Shoal because getting a Looting or Neonate slows them way down. My plan is basically to counter the enablers and get ahead on the board so I can finish the game before he starts playing multiple cards per turn out of the graveyard. Scour is important to get to Mandrills faster. They don’t block much so Curiosity is also fine. Denial’s great against his Unburial plan. I think Leak is too slow and it doesn’t do much once he gets dredging. Also, if Blood Moon comes down, the game is pretty much over.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125416 Wed, 04 May 2016 00:16:45 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125416 In reply to Zach Howell.

Goldfish a couple Game 1s and see how often you get to four lands 🙂

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125415 Wed, 04 May 2016 00:16:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125415 In reply to Kevork Agh.

Mountain might not be an optimal choice for that sideboard slot, but this deck really wants 17 lands main. I have experimented a lot with the land count and found that 18 is too many and 16 is too few. I’ve also found the deck to mulligan an unnacceptable amount of openers with fewer than 14 turn-one blue sources in the main, so cutting Pool for Mountain would not work. I like 15 blue sources to be safe. I’d only cut Pool for Mountain in Games 2 and 3 for matchups where I still want 17 lands, but also want to cast Blood Moon on time (not that many of them).

I don’t think you understood what the card is truly for – it’s there to give us an 18th land for matchups we have to be very aggressive in. I’m not swapping it for another land in this case. Some obvious examples include Burn and Affinity, which punish you for missing land drops, especially when you’re relying on Huntmaster. Some less obvious examples are Tron and Infect.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125414 Wed, 04 May 2016 00:11:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125414 In reply to Charles Jang.

Of course – Vault Skirge, Lingering Souls, Flickerwisp, etc.

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By: Charles Jang https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125413 Tue, 03 May 2016 20:58:31 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125413 Is there any reason to be running Pyroclasm over Rough // Tumble in the sideboard? I believe that’s the Legacy tech to avoid killing your own Delvers in Elves-style matchups.

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By: Kevork Agh https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125412 Tue, 03 May 2016 16:49:09 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125412 When looking at it seriously, do you really think a mountain is the best idea in a SB that is critical to our game plan? As you have eluded to, the deck thrives on its SB. I feel like dropping a slot just to get a land swap seems inefficient. I almost wonder if its just best to put the Mountain MB and drop another land in ins place. Most decks I play against end up having me side-in moon or huntmaster anyway.

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By: Gino Killiko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125411 Tue, 03 May 2016 15:34:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125411 Do you live in the Montreal area Jordan? I was under the impression that you were in Ontario, but this has me wondering. I’m moving back to the Montreal suburbs later this month and will actively be seeking out some serious testing partners. Let me know if you’re interested!

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By: Ryan Heuer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125410 Tue, 03 May 2016 15:31:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125410 Siding in Blood Moon versus Infect is rather ingenious. It’s an angle that few Infect pilots expect to be attacked from, yet most of their lists run seldom more than 2 forests, effectively shutting off everything in their deck.

Just out of curiousity, what would have been your gameplan against the Amalgam Dredge player, had you faced him instead of taking a draw?

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By: Zach Howell https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125409 Tue, 03 May 2016 12:43:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125409 It looks like you brought in Huntmaster forall but one of your games (against infect). Should it start in the main board?

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By: Ricardo Takeda https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125408 Mon, 02 May 2016 21:31:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125408 In reply to Ricardo Takeda.

Meant “serious” instead of ” competitive” in the last line.

Happy to see old brews coming back along with new decks in this new meta.
Don’t think I’ve ever took a disrupting shoal during a match 🙂

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By: Ricardo Takeda https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125407 Mon, 02 May 2016 21:19:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125407 “I was doing some Yu-Gi-Oh! reading last week and stumbled upon a piece by a “Pro” player about intentional draws, which are illegal in that game’s competitive circuit. ID’s have always been an integral part of competitive play for me, so I found it interesting that some CCG players never get to do it.”

Yes. Most (all?) serious sports or competitive games frown upon arranging/manipulating results to gain an unfair advantage.
In most places, where is proven or highly suggested that such thing occurred, the parties tend to receive a harsh punishment.

But Wizards thinks is fine showing on camera, in their most prestigious tournament (pro tour), everyone that manipulating results in a “competitive” game is fine.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125406 Mon, 02 May 2016 19:00:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125406 In reply to Augment ELO.

My mistake, the RIP came down a turn or two later. My notes were a little fuzzy for this round, since I left right after losing and didn’t finish writing them down. Fixed!

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By: Augment ELO https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/holding-grudges-temur-delver-scg-states-part-2/#comment-2125405 Mon, 02 May 2016 18:17:54 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9244#comment-2125405 Against UW Control, how did he Flashback Path to Exile with RIP in play?

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