Comments on: What’s in a Goyf? Benchmark Creature Playability in Modern https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 03 Sep 2017 17:38:42 +0000 hourly 1 By: Vidar Thorsby https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125471 Sun, 03 Sep 2017 17:38:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125471 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Great to hear. I would like to hear a breakdown between the 3 removal spells. There are also some exciting new creatures.

Keep up the good work. 🙂

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125470 Sun, 03 Sep 2017 15:46:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125470 In reply to Vidar Thorsby.

Raider costs 3. Update article is definitely in the works; just waiting for the metagame to settle a bit more.

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By: Vidar Thorsby https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125469 Sun, 03 Sep 2017 14:06:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125469 ‘[…Confidant is much more splashable, earning his status as one of the game’s best two-drops. No other creature gives decks spanning multiple archetypes the same kind of inevitability.’ That is some high praice. Wonder where Ruin Raider is on the radar.

Once the opponent taps out any GBX deck, or WB Death and Taxes, can garantee to sett up a card draw. I would love to see this article updated to take Fatal Push into consideration, and include the new creatures like Tierless Tracker and Ruin Raider.

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By: Timur Nurmagambetov https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125468 Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:24:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125468 Author doesnt understand the main idea of cards popularity
Card (creature for this article) is as popular as decks that play it
A creature can’t be good or bad. If a creature fits into certain deck, the deck is popular, then creature gets to top50 chart, not because its good.
If you disagree with me then tell how comes Deceiver Exarch and Eldrazi Mimic were on this list but then disappeared, did they lose their abilities? Eldrazi Temple was printed 7 years ago but skyrocketed into top50 only this january, did wizards change its text so it became more powerful?

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125467 Fri, 13 May 2016 21:28:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125467 In other news, the smiley-face icon doesn’t look very happy, apparently.

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125466 Fri, 13 May 2016 21:27:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125466 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

Thanks for the replies, Jordan and Jason. 🙂

It’s not so much that I’m specifically wanting qualitative data rather than quantitative data; it’s more that once you get past a certain level of precision, the pool of players for whom it matters starts to shrink dramatically. For example, there’s that sidebar with the breakdown of the current metagame. Great! Now anybody looking to play some Modern can see what’s out there and make decisions based on that information. However, the additional precision afforded by expanding that metagame breakdown into an entire article is only relevant to a pretty particular subset of players. Nothing wrong with that kind of content, mind you; back in my Standard days I was tuning my decks week to week and the slightest metagame shift was relevant to me. But that’s not where I am now, and so that type of content has lost its relevance to me (and to those like me, whatever portion of the audience they may comprise).

Perhaps in practice this might mean that the content I’ll enjoy most and the content that’s more qualitative than quantitative are virtually identical sets. That’s fine. The point is that articles which can apply to a wide range of player types seem like a good idea. This creature breakdown article, for instance, can be helpful for a PTQ grinder looking for candidates for that last flex spot, but can also be helpful for the $10/month budget player desperately digging through commons boxes in an effort to cobble together something not shame-worthy, and can serve anyone in between.

I’m definitely in favor of you continuing to include content that’s only relevant to high-level competitors. Just… maybe keep an eye on what percentage of your total content is relevant to what percentage of your total playerbase. 🙂

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125465 Fri, 13 May 2016 12:00:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125465 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

Editor in chief here. We definitely aspire to cater to a wide variety of Modern enthusiasts—pretty much anyone who loves the format like we do. So your feedback is appreciated, and definitely heard. We’re looking to bring on more writers in the next couple months or so, and hopefully expand our offerings. If I understand you correctly, It sounds like you’re interested in the more qualitative theoretical discussions of Modern. That’s certainly something we will aim to provide (in addition to the quantitative stuff, of course). I hope you’ll stick around!

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125464 Thu, 12 May 2016 05:31:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125464 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

Not sure I can speak for the other writers here, but my target audience is anyone who plays Modern at least semi-competitively. I try to stick to stuff I know a lot about, explaining all my pieces on tempo and combat decks, but this creature article is one I’ve thought about and wanted to write for a long time. I’d like to do related articles in the near future on spells and maybe even utility lands, and some stuff about format speed. If you can think of something broadly Modern-applicable you’d like to read more about, and think I did a decent enough job on this article, don’t hesitate to drop me a line about it!

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125463 Wed, 11 May 2016 21:16:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125463 Just wanted to say I would love to see more of this type of content. Sometimes it feels like all the online material about Modern (aside from banlist discussion) centers around things like Tier 1 Deck X changing two cards in its list or Tier 1 Deck Y changing its metagame share by half a percent. I’m sure that’s probably relevant to however many pros/aspiring pros are reading (I don’t know your desired or actual audience), but for folks like me who just want to be able to engage the format at a reasonable level when we have a free evening for an FLGS event, the endless micro-analysis of the upper crust gets old fast. I’ve been on the fence lately about whether to bother continuing to check MN on my lunch breaks, as I’m getting the impression I’m not your target audience. Then an article like this comes along, that actually discusses how Modern Magic works (and why) instead of scrutinizing the tiny variations of a small minority’s decades-old decklists, and I wonder if maybe I should stick around.

Even so, perhaps I should just ask directly: If I have no aspirations of getting onto the Pro Tour, am I part of your target audience? Or should I just check the archives every couple of months in case something relevant to me has turned up?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125462 Wed, 11 May 2016 19:10:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125462 In reply to Pete Zaroll.

The list has already changed by now, but a link to the real-time list is in the first paragraph.

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By: Pete Zaroll https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125461 Wed, 11 May 2016 17:11:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125461 Can you put up just the list at the end of the article, it’d be cool to have it for easy reference. Great article btw!

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125460 Mon, 09 May 2016 04:32:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125460 In reply to Max Verkamp.

Nice catch. What I should have written: “It’s unlikely we’ll see enablers as powerful as Birds and Hierarch enter Standard anytime soon, and therefore very unlikely we’ll ever see enablers that outclass them enter Modern.”

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By: Max Verkamp https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125459 Mon, 09 May 2016 03:41:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125459 Good reference for creatures in Modern. A note though, one-drop mana dorks are on hiatus from Standard, not removed forever, according to the article you linked.

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By: Ricardo Takeda https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125458 Sat, 07 May 2016 00:32:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125458 Good article.
Worth bookmarking and send to friends who love to hype T2 spoilers as the next big thing in modern.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/05/whats-goyf-benchmark-creature-playability-modern/#comment-2125457 Fri, 06 May 2016 19:44:47 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=9368#comment-2125457 This is a handy reference to have around. I know that I’ll be coming back to it every time I look at a card for the first time and wonder whether it’s good or not. It will probably save me some time (and money) when looking at upgrades for decks or cards to brew around.

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