Comments on: Goyfing and Cruising: Grim Flayer and Chaos Reveler in Modern https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:15:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125983 Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:15:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125983 In reply to Leander Tupper.

I tried it, but it just didn’t do enough. Architect is bad for the same reasons Wraith is. At least Bauble and Probe have useful effects in addition to cantripping.

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By: Leander Tupper https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125982 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:35:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125982 Have people considered Architect of Will for Delirium decks? It’s not quite as good as Bauble, but it puts two types in the graveyard asap and immediately replaces itself with a card, so it has some upside. Fetch, Cycle, Phyrexian Mana (Gut Shot or Probe) and you can turn on Delirium turn 1, without playing the Tome Scour roulette, and haven’t lost a single card.

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By: Rory Alexander Farrell-Madden McDonough https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125981 Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:12:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125981 Really like the look of the UR Delver deck you put together. It’s similar to something I was messing around with. Have you continued testing with it over the last few days? Anything you would change?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125980 Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:35:23 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125980 In reply to Evan Stoddard.

Because by the time BGx has delirium on, they have enough mana to cast something more impactful than Flayer, like Kalitas.

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By: Evan Stoddard https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125979 Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:21:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125979 why focus on grim flayer in a grow strat when it seems really dope in GBx as a way to card filter in late game.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125978 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:54:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125978 In reply to Daniel Sommer.

Almost definitely not. But I’ve never been impressed with that card despite having tried it in a bunch of shells.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125977 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:11:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125977 I kind of feel silly for not immediately detecting Grim Flayer’s potential in grow-style tempo because I got too hung up on its forcing a 4th color splash. As Hooting Mandrills has taught us, 4/4s with trample for 2 (or less) are quite playable. Having to cram in black makes me a tad uneasy, but it very well may end up being worth it.

As for Bedlam Reveler (this is what they officially named it in the full spoiler today)… I was originally viewing through more of the aggro-oriented “vomit out hand, cast, continue to vomit out hand” role it will be auditioning for in Legacy (and maybe even Modern Burn), but you’re probably correct about decks like Monkey Grow and Temur Traverse also making good use of it as a way to surge ahead against midrange. Now, here’s a question concerning one of your earlier brews – do you think you can cram in the instant/sorcery density necessary to cast it in RG Moon? Because if you can, I think it’s marvelously positioned there, since any future artifacts and enchantments also trigger prowess.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125976 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:10:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125976 I kind of feel silly for not immediately detecting Grim Flayer’s potential in grow-style tempo because I got too hung up on its forcing a 4th color splash. As Hooting Mandrills has taught us, 4/4s with trample for 2 (or less) are quite playable. Having to cram in black makes me a tad uneasy, but it very well may end up being worth it.

As for Bedlam Reveler (this is what they officially named it in the full spoiler today)… I was originally viewing through more of the aggro-orinted “vomit out hand, cast, continue to vomit out hand” role it will be auditioning for in Legacy, but you’re probably correct about decks like Monkey Grow and Temur Traverse also making good use of it as a way to surge ahead against midrange. Now, here’s a question concerning one of your earlier brews – do you think you can cram in the instant/sorcery density necessary to cast it in RG Moon? Because if you can, I think it’s marvelously positioned there, since any future artifacts and enchantments also trigger prowess.

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By: Daniel Sommer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125975 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:32:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125975 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Yeah, graveyard hate is (shockingly) absent in my local meta, too. I guess with mandatory hate slots like Crumble to Dust or Stony Silence (takes up 4 slots in my Jeskai Nahiri alone) people have a hard time of dedicating slots to sth like RiP. It might be possible to kinda “fly under the radar” with your deck, but i personally feel uncomfortable to go “All-in”. Has Thing in the Ice as a non gy based threat a place in the 75?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125974 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 02:02:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125974 In reply to Daniel Sommer.

That’s definitely a good reason to play Delver of Dryad, nice catch. Rest in Peace has been pretty difficult for me to overcome with this kind of deck, a problem dating as far back as my early experimentations with Traverse in Eldrazi shells. Playing cards like Thought-Knot Seer or Liliana of the Veil greatly alleviate this issue, just as threats like Delver, Moon, and Huntmaster do in Monkey Grow. But I’ve gone full graveyard lately after noticing a distinct lack of RiP both in my local metagames and in the larger Modern field. Relic, in my experience, is much easier to beat than the enchantment. But there’s always Destructive Revelry if it starts showing up more, or graveyard-independent beaters like Vendilion Clique.

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By: Daniel Sommer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125973 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:56:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125973 Hey Jordan! Warning: no native speaker ^^ While i really love the idea of going full graveyard, i guess this might be one of the weaknesses of the deck. That’s why i like your approach with splashing black for Liliana as another angle for attack pretty much. Against this list, RiP and Relic pretty much ruin your day and i have the feeling that WotC wants to “see” more graveyard hate in Modern because they recently printed some actually pretty playable, strong new graveyard interacting cards (Traverse the Ulvenwald, Insolent Neonate, Chaos Reveler, Gnarlwood Dryad and the (potentially playable) Splendid Reclamation). If an opponent resolves RiP (to which u have no answer) the best u will do is flashing in some blue Ambush Vipers. Maybe this could be an argument for Delver over Dryad? Are these kind of losses “calculated”? Let me know what you think!

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By: Kevork Agh https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/goyfing-cruising-grim-flayer-chaos-reveler-modern/#comment-2125972 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:36:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10402#comment-2125972 Loving the Temur and UR decks. Time to sleeve up!

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