Comments on: Observations from an IQ https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:27:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/#comment-2126005 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:27:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10440#comment-2126005 I think this is a bit much on the gloom-and-doom point of view, and an overreaction to a typical metagame trend. People will try to attack the established decks in different ways, and when someone finds purchase, others will follow. That trend will continue until someone successfully bucks it, and the cycle begins anew. Given that Merfolk top8’d and outright won other WMCQs lately, I’m not worried about its positioning in the slightest. As I’ve commented time and again, your build is very far from the stock list, and I think that the current state of the metagame is more hostile to the direction you’ve chosen to go (your deck has a lot less of the “goldfish aggro kill on G1, adjust on G2” game going).

Regarding Eldritch Evolution in Elves… I think it will be rather potent, as it’s basically Natural Order in the canonical Modern shell, but given that it’s essentially forcing out Chord of Calling in order to be played, I don’t think it will be too busted (and getting it countered hurts like hell). It will make them more of a tournament mainstay, but the deck is overall too vulnerable to the likes of Pyroclasm/Anger/Verdict to ever be Tier 1 for long. Abzan Company is also potent, but whether it chooses to incorporate Evolution at all (and what the fallout of that decision is) remains to be seen.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/#comment-2126004 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 02:23:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10440#comment-2126004 In reply to BsledgeW.

I’m very confused why we are still talking about these bans given how balanced the format is. The Modern PT was removed in no small part to decelerate the banning process and, ultimately, to create a format with less ban pressure. Based on that, there’s no reason to ban cards from decks just because those decks are beating our pet strategies. Tron is going to beat control. Infect is going to beat Tron. Abzan Company is going to beat Infect. These kinds of cyclical metagames are a part of Modern, and we need to stop advocating for bans on some other part of the cycle. If a deck is legitimately overperforming, we’ll see it and advocate for action. If a deck is just merely “good” and happens to be beating our strategies, however, we need to tone down the ban talk.

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By: BsledgeW https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/#comment-2126003 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 02:17:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10440#comment-2126003 Personally I think Karn is the correct ban.

A T3 karn is essentially a turn three win. If you take karn out of the picture, tron is still a usable deck. Wurmcoil into Ugin is still insanely powerful, but the natural tron into karn is no longer an issue

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By: Greg Castanon https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/#comment-2126002 Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:59:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10440#comment-2126002 In reply to David Ernenwein.

Disagree about the Tron Enablers. You’d ban Ancient Stirrings: It’s brutally powerful and has only gotten moreso with the advent of a million useful colorless cards. You incidentally hit lantern control and bant eldrazi.

That said, I think what you’re seeing is just a reaction to an overwhelming fair metagame. In an overwhelming “fair” metagame, creature-based aggro decks get suppressed (check!), and strategies which die to faster decks but have excellent game vs. fair decks (Tron, to a lesser extent valakut decks) overperform (check!). Tron is basically just the only deck in this category, so all the people playing this strategy get put into one deck, and it appears over-represented.

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By: Thomas Elfgren https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/#comment-2126001 Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:54:05 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10440#comment-2126001 I think we all know what this calls for… Unban Splinter Twin! We need to force Tron to have 10 SB slots against it.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/#comment-2126000 Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:38:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10440#comment-2126000 In reply to Aaron Elias Newbom.

Tron is definitely the deck to watch. I said when Eye was banned that it bought Tron a reprieve, but as long as Wizards keeps printing powerful colorless threats that deck will keep getting better. I think it’s missing a little bit of consistency and resiliency to be really problematic, but it’s definitely moving in that direction. Spreading Seas’ stock continues to rise.

I think the new Thalia was made with Tron in mind, but she’s too expensive for my taste. We’ll have to wait and see.

You’re right about any banning killing the deck. Wizards bans enablers, but the Tron enablers aren’t that impressive, nor does that prevent the problem of natural Tron. I suspect that if the deck ends up needing a ban next year the lands will go.

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By: Aaron Elias Newbom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/#comment-2125999 Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:40:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10440#comment-2125999 Your conclusion in some ways I agree with. I am from California and play at a large competitive store
The meta there is increasingly Tron and infect.

I do t mind infect so much since it heavily rewards being interactive

But Tron is more and more and more an issue.

Online I’d say I face about 15% Tron as well.

Tron is just oppressive in my personal opinion. But a ban wouldn’t be good. Either the entire archetype would die or it wouldn’t affect them.

The problem is that hard countermagic is basically nonexistent in modern

Nor is there effective land policing.

I fear the only solution is to print a hatebear that doesn’t allow multiple mana from a single land and to print some sort of viable hard counter.

Police decks can’t police without the right equipment to do so

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By: Kim Josefsen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/07/observations-iq/#comment-2125998 Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:01:36 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=10440#comment-2125998 The meta does seem to have picked up pace. If MTGO leagues are any indication, the big tournaments of the summer is about to be hit by a host of different aggro and combo decks leaving fair decks scrambling as for what matchups to prepare for. Modern’s “best” “control” deck has even had to include a combo of its own with Nahiri to keep up.

This is nothing new, historically speaking, though. Modern has always been a dozen different linear and unfair decks and a couple of fair decks succeeding by preparing and facing the right decks. It’s also not going to change much until some better general answers get printed or they produce some miracle creatures that will glove the same hand.

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