Comments on: Reprints & Evaluating the Dredge Menace https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:27:12 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Savarin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126392 Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:27:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126392 “While we got one pretty high-profile reprint in Conspiracy: Take the Crown, I am not expecting to see many more…”

well we now have show and tell, berserk… it follows the same pattern as conspiracy 1 : take a few legacy staples to add to the mix and drive eternal players interest into it. otherwise it feels to much like commander (eg. an independent format).

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126391 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:19:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126391 In reply to João Victor Santiago.

Wheel of Sun and Moon I feel like is just a worse version of Leyline of the Void. If you don’t draw it early it doesn’t do anything and it costs 2 mana which means the damage could have already been done. It doesn’t stop players from flashing back faithless looting to find an answer. Also it costing 2 mana means it’s able to be killed by abrupt decay where leyline isn’t. If you don’t draw either of those answers early then it’s a wash even if you can’t cast the leyline.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126390 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:55:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126390 In reply to Jim Casale.

Fair enough. Thanks for the answer!

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By: Tanner Chase https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126389 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 04:18:17 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126389 In reply to Jim Casale.

It would be my pleasure to read it

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126388 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 00:52:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126388 In reply to Tanner Chase.

I haven’t finalized it but I can write an article about it in the future if you’d like.

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By: João Victor Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126387 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:30:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126387 A card that is often forgotten as an option for grave hate on white decks is Wheel of Sun and Moon. It only screw the target’s grave, so it won’t hurt snapcasters.

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126386 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:22:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126386 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

You’re right, I was getting a bit wordy and I wanted to touch on my opinion of the most out of line price spikes. Golgari Grave Troll is the most powerful dredger and that won’t change so it’s unlikely to be worth a lot less in the coming months.

I had missed the price of Conflagrate honestly. It’s definitely like Gargadon and due for some real whiplash back down to a reasonable price.

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126385 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:16:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126385 In reply to Rik Dean.

Night of Soul’s Betrayal will probably never become a staple price point. Most of it’s value is in the rarity of the card and not the effectiveness. It will continue to climb as it avoids reprints but I expect it to come crashing down very quickly if it is reprinted.

For an analogous, take a look at what the price of Burning Wish does over the next few months. It was a low supply low demand card that is being reprinted in Conspiracy.

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126384 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:14:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126384 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Roland,

What Jason says sums up most of how I feel. I will just add that Relic of Progenitus was printed *again* in Eternal Masters. Although it was in a lot of limited set releases its a well known card that is unlikely to find it’s way into someone’s closet. The extra supply should really keep the price in check as many people already own them.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126383 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 20:58:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126383 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

I certainly understand the point regarding financial relevance, but consider that the last time a deck really wanted Relic of Progenitus (the WB Eldrazi Processors deck in the distant mists of late 2015/early 2016), it jumped from <$2 to ~$5. We could see a similar jump if it becomes the graveyard hate piece of choice – I understand that it was recently reprinted in Eternal Masters (which is why it's back to ~$2 again), but it's a card that has been printed several times (Shards of Alara, Modern Masters, 2014 Event Deck) and still spiked. Rakdos Charm may or may not stay cheap, despite having only been printed once, so that objection is well taken.

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By: Tanner Chase https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126382 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 20:43:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126382 Hey Jim. A bit off topic but would you mind sharing your Elves list?

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126381 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 20:38:45 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126381 No insight on golgari grave troll or conflagrate from price perspective? troll hasnt spiked that hard but conflagrate did a week or two ago. Feels weird to leave those two out as I think theyre the only relevant cards you didnt give an assessment of. Narcomeba I guess maybe but its ceiling is probably akin to boros charm or young pyromancer

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By: Rik Dean https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126380 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:56:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126380 I’m really enjoying this column so far!

Do you think the rise in more decks like Dredge, Infect, and Bushwacker Zoo will impact Night of Soul’s Betrayal, or do you think that’s stabilized?

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126379 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:51:06 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126379 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

I’ll let Jim respond here too, but my understanding is he’s trying to cover the financially relevant cards. Spellbomb, Relic, and Rakdos Charm are all unlikely to see price changes since they’re relatively recent printings at lower rarities.

That said, we’re trying to gauge just what kind of financial information our readers are interested in here at Modern Nexus. Obviously Quiet Speculation has access to a ton of expert analysts when it comes to the financial side of MTG, and Jim is one such example. We decided to bring him on at MN to provide insight for players looking to play Modern without breaking their bank. We’d love to hear your thoughts on this type of content (or suggestions for anything else).

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/reprints-dredge-menace/#comment-2126378 Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:39:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11049#comment-2126378 I’m shocked other colorless options like Nihil Spellbomb (that one basically requires you to also have B, but still) and Relic of Progenitus weren’t mentioned. And what about Rakdos Charm? That one can punish Dredge players even after the creatures are already on the field.

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