Comments on: You’ll Revel to Anything: PPTQ Report With Monkey Grow https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 01 Sep 2016 16:29:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126493 Thu, 01 Sep 2016 16:29:05 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126493 Thanks for the reply! I really hope that this deck keeps putting up great results for you. We need moar Temur in Modern :).

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126492 Thu, 01 Sep 2016 07:45:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126492 In reply to Chris Striker.

First, on FL in Reveler Delver decks: it just doesn’t do enough. It puts us down a card, and the flashback cost is really hefty in a deck like this. Instead of reasoning that we “don’t care” about losing cards because of Reveler, I’d rather trade off my cards one for one with my opponent’s and then pull way ahead instead of just a little. Looting will also pretty much lose us the game if we don’t find Reveler eventually. (For the record, I did test it. Looting is one of my favorite cards :D)

Second, on FL in this deck: The Monkey Grow core is so tight that we just can’t fit a Looting. The main reason to play this deck over the Reveler Delver decks I first brewed, which had Bedlam in the main, is that Monkey Grow smashes Modern’s linear decks. Diluting the core would defeat the purpose of playing it at all. So we’d have to play FL in the sideboard, and as evidenced by the article, we really don’t have room for it (not that we’d even want it!).

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By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126491 Wed, 31 Aug 2016 19:30:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126491 One more question for you Jordan: I’m sure you’ve tested Faithless Looting in this shell as a Traverse enabler; was the fact that FL isn’t blue what made the card unplayable? FL seems close enough to Serum Visions to be a viable replacement, and it also has flashback so pitching to Reveler in games 2 and 3 doesn’t feel bad.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126490 Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:48:01 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126490 In reply to Roscoe Shomo.

If you understand its drawbacks, I guess I don’t have to explain Dismember to you. For the record though, I did try it numerous times, as it’s one of my favorite cards in the Modern pool. I’ve linked you to a couple examples that were published on this very site, one from last year and one from this year:
http://quietspeculation.com/welcome-to-the-jungle-mandrills-in-modern/
http://quietspeculation.com/carpet-shopping-building-rug-delver-in-post-twin-modern/

As I said there, I brewed the UR burn deck the morning that article was published. I also don’t like it, which is why I didn’t chase the thread. I also tried a more interactive UR deck with Shoals and just didn’t like it as much as I did with Tarmogoyf. Goyf just fits so well into interact-while-attacking URx decks in Modern, and Traverse’s synergy with the Reveler is another huge draw to the green splash.

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By: Roscoe Shomo https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126489 Sat, 27 Aug 2016 21:57:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126489 Not gonna lie I didn’t read all the tournament reportsyet and while I follow this deck closely through your writings, I can’t remember if you’ve answered this, but is there a reason you don’t just run dismember? I understand the drawbacks and it certainly doesn’t answer the creatures you listed with spite (though I’ve always thought you had to bite the bullet and take tarmo as your best answer to those kinds of creatures, particularly with the traverse enablers), but I think it can do what you need enough times to do what you want. I appreciate your quest for the holy grail in these colors but fear it is an insanity-inducing exercise. I love the idea of spite tho. You keep trying things and thank you.

On another note, I disliked your burn take on UR reveler, but I tweaked it a bit to make it a shoal deck and I have been loving it. I have always been dissatisfied with the card disadvantage in modern and have always defected to traditional staples like spell pierce and what not, but mad reveler solves the problem and since you are incentivized to use it early to clear your hand for reveler that shoaling any turn 1 play feels amazing. It’s built like you would think but replaces guide/dedicated burn with shoal and interactive burn like pillar and forked bolt. Thank for the idea

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126488 Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:46:45 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126488 In reply to Michael Baranov.

A turn-one Gitaxian Probe enables a turn-one Spite for 1 damage. As he said, it’s rare, but unlike with Roast it’s at least possible.

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By: Michael Baranov https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126487 Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:51:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126487 Spite of Mogis does not count itself when resolving. So it deals 0 damage on turn 1. You say it kills dorks turn 1. Am I missing something?

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By: Kevork Agh https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126486 Sat, 27 Aug 2016 01:34:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126486 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Spite does seem interesting in a shell with 50% i/s.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126485 Sat, 27 Aug 2016 01:12:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126485 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

Nope, you’re reading correctly. But unlike Roast, Spite at least has the possibility of killing a dork on turn one, whereas Roast does not. And between Traverse, Probe, Serum, Shoal, Bolt, etc. it’s pretty rare that a turn two Spite won’t kill an x/1.

Roast is better in certain early games, but I’d argue that spending two mana and a valuable removal spell to deal with Hierarch is awkward more of the time than Spite not having enough i/s in the yard is.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126484 Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:21:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126484 Doesnt spite of mogis deal zero without a instant or sorcery in gy? That hurts your ability to zap turn one mana dorks (probe notwithstanding). Youre not casting roast until turn 2 anyways so its less of an issue in a heads up comparison, but unless im misreading the effect it could be awkward in the early game when you want to nuke something small.

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By: Kevork Agh https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/08/youll-revel-to-anything-pptq-report-with-monkey-grow/#comment-2126483 Fri, 26 Aug 2016 19:06:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11231#comment-2126483 Correction: I was one of those 61 players, and you never asked me for Eldrazi Mimics.

PS. Good write-up. I look forward to going back to Grow!

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