Comments on: Post-Kaladesh Grixis Control https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:27:22 +0000 hourly 1 By: wanicola https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126981 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:27:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126981 For dredge I recommend rakdos charm! Versatility at it’s finest: Flashbackable, useful also against affinity and even against randoms relic of progenitus.

Speaking of graveyard, I remember why I’ve stopped playing this deck: In a meta heavily dominated by dredge, and cards that abuse of graveyard (delve spell, tarmogoyf ecc) every white deck started to pls rest in peace and other graveyard hater that made snapcaster an ambush viper, tasigur a 4/5 for six and jace a bad merfolk looter.
How do you handle all this hate? RIP especially.

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By: Ira Herniter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126980 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 02:26:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126980 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

I guess it comes down to play style. I tend to think of Grixis more as a Jund-style deck, and so Kalitas has really treated me quite well. But I imagine it really comes down to preference and local meta.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126979 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 01:35:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126979 In reply to wanicola.

Great points, and there’s nothing really “wrong” with the new Liliana. I still think LotV is better, and I’m not playing that, and would play the old one before considering the new one. I think were the format more midrangey it’s possible it could find it’s way in, but in this list I’m looking to be as mana efficient as possible. Maybe if the metagame shifts!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126978 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 01:34:06 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126978 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

All good points and you could be correct on everything. For me, the Dredge matchup really isn’t that great, and were it not for the Jailers I probably would just hope to dodge (or not play Grixis at all because Dredge is a bad matchup). I’m not that worried as I am expecting Dredge to get hated down again soon, so I’m basically leaving it up to other people to sideboard cards for them while I tune for the next level. A Grafdigger’s Cage or two would certainly make it better, but only slightly.

That being said, just playing a 5/5 can really slow them down, as we saw with our U/W Blink deck. Our removal can ensure they won’t swarm around us too fast/too early while we dig for Anger to put them away. Yes, we’re only playing two, but a playset of Thought Scour/Snapcaster makes it “almost” three.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126977 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 01:30:17 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126977 In reply to Tim Estes.

I’m in Dallas this week for an architecture trip, but hopefully I’ll have some time to stream it when I get back! Check my Twitter!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126976 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 01:29:34 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126976 In reply to Ira Herniter.

Ira,

I talked about it briefly during the article, but at this point I’ve spoken at length about why I’m not interested in Kalitas in previous articles about Grixis. Maybe I should have restated for clarity, but basically I don’t feel like he does enough for his cost to justify inclusion. All of the four and five drop options Grixis has played feel really clunky to me, I’d much rather be casting delve threats for one mana and have as many double spell turns as possible.

Hope that helps
Trevor

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By: Ira Herniter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126975 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 00:06:54 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126975 In reply to wanicola.

Doesn’t she just do the same thing as K Command but slower and can’t be flashed back?

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126974 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:56:44 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126974 I’m surprised you’re pinning your Dredge post-board hopes on just 2 Yixlid Jailer and 2 Anger of the Gods, especially given that they’re a nonbo with each other. Dredge can easily snipe the Jailer with a Darkblast, an Abrupt Decay, a hard-cast Conflagrate, or even a Lightning Axe. I really feel that you should have Surgical Extraction or Grafdigger’s Cage as a backup plan. Both of those cards hurt other decks, so it’s not like they’re just for Dredge. I also don’t like the extreme dearth of pre-board countermagic, and would cut Jaces for them. And as a commenter said before me, it’d be interesting to see how Liliana, the Last Hope does here. Overall, though, it looks like an interesting list, and if you’re expecting the meta to be heavy linears I expect it will do well.

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By: Tim Estes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126973 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 19:41:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126973 Will you be streaming Grixis on twitch this week?

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By: wanicola https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126972 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 19:37:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126972 No liliana the last hope? This is the card that make me want to play grixis again!
witth +1 she can handle with small creature from affinity, infect and burn, with -2 she can bring back some snapcaster or jace, not to mention that this can fuel the graveyard for delve creature, and the ultimatum can close the game very quickly against grindy match-up
To me she seems made to fit perfectly into grixis strategies

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By: Ira Herniter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/10/post-kaladesh-grixis-control/#comment-2126971 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 18:42:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=11955#comment-2126971 What do you think of Filigree Familiar out of the board? It helps with some card flow and lifegain, which is a big deal in a deck like Grixis Control.

I’m also unclear on why you’re not playing Kalitas. He shores up the burn matchup (a bit, depends on their draw) but absolutely crushes Dredge, while being generally solid vs Jund due to having 4 toughness.

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