Comments on: Innovations in the Current Modern Environment https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/11/innovations-current-modern-environment/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:14:57 +0000 hourly 1 By: The Monkey House https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/11/innovations-current-modern-environment/#comment-2127260 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:14:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12277#comment-2127260 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

What you’re writing fits well with my impression. I feel that Monkey Grow is better at assuming the beatdown role and staying ahead, and is more reliant on succeeding with that, while the strength of Grixis is that it can shift between roles and is better at getting back from behind, acting as a small control deck if needed until it can find a window to resume the beatdown role.

I’m a big fan of Monkey Grow, obviously, and prefer it right now, but mapping the shortcomings as well as the strengths of ones own deck compared to the alternatives is always a useful excercise. People should do that more. Thanks for replying.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/11/innovations-current-modern-environment/#comment-2127259 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:45:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12277#comment-2127259 In reply to The Monkey House.

I value the ability to play from behind very highly- which is something that Grixis Delver does very well that many don’t give it credit for. Temur Delver is a deck that largely needs to get ahead early- it just doesn’t have the same tools that Grixis provides, such as Terminate to axe opposing large creatures. A primary different in running Terminate and Vapor Snag, is that if your opponent is killing all of your creatures you can Terminate their stuff and at least keep both players on nothing, whereas Vapor Snag is very poor when your opponent has a clock and removal. The deck has other strengths to be sure, though its strengths don’t line up with my play style and general Magic philosophy.

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By: The Monkey House https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/11/innovations-current-modern-environment/#comment-2127258 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:01:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12277#comment-2127258 Overturf, we all know you prefer Grixis, but what are your honest opinions on Jordan Boisvert’s Monkey Grow/Temur Delver deck in the current Modern metagame, and in general?

(I know I might be putting you in a tough spot when I’m asking you to evaluate the favorite deck of a fellow nexite, but it would truly be valuable to hear your thoughts.)

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By: Leon du Plooy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/11/innovations-current-modern-environment/#comment-2127257 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:16:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12277#comment-2127257 Now, this is what I am talking about. Dredge is doing a good thing for the format and you have said and showed it the best. I tip my hat to you sir and hope alot of people in the community reads this article.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/11/innovations-current-modern-environment/#comment-2127256 Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:40:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12277#comment-2127256 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Delver vs. Tron is a real crap shoot. Sometimes you just kill them on turn four with a fast Delver hand, and sometimes they just Tron you. The single most effective card in the sideboard are two Spell Pierce because they can tag Expedition Map and Sylvan Scrying to prevent them from getting off the ground. Fulminator Mage is fine, though it can be kind of a crap shoot itself over whether something that comes down on turn three matters. I try not to pay Tron excessive mind with my sideboard because it’s a deck that can collapse on itself and a matchup that you can win pre-sideboard, though I am most strongly attached to the Spell Pierces.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/11/innovations-current-modern-environment/#comment-2127255 Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:16:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12277#comment-2127255 These Jeskai lists interest me. It seems that people are moving away from the Nahiri combo-control shell in favor of something more proactive/tempo-oriented, which includes your take on Jeskai Delver. I am a bit concerned with how the Jeskai Flash list basically has no aggression before turn 3, though, and I’m not sure the 2 Blade Splicers are all that good in the deck.

As far as Delver and Tron hate… would you consider Fulminator Mage to be sufficient? If not, what else would you reach for? I’ve heard lots of opinions regarding the Delver v. Tron matchup and what to bring in for it, and I’d like to hear your take.

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