Comments on: Financial Deck Tech: Dredge https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 22 Dec 2016 01:59:57 +0000 hourly 1 By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127391 Thu, 22 Dec 2016 01:59:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127391 In reply to Nicholas Andrew.

All told I just think its unwise to buy anything expensive in Modern right before a new masters set comes out. It’s impossible to really predict what wizards will do with these – we did not get serum visions or goblin guide in MM15 which felt like locks the same way Liliana of the Veil and Snapcaster Mage feel for MM17.

Wizards hasn’t printed land cycles before – but who’s to say fetchlands or enemy fastlands don’t make the cut for Mm17?

Too hard to predict, safe bet is to wait for spoiler season to buy anything pricey just to be safe. As soon as what you want is alphabetically/mathematically out of the picture scoop them up immediately before they can spike.

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127390 Wed, 21 Dec 2016 16:29:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127390 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

A very fair point, Jason. I simply was pointing out that Jim did, in fact, offer an explanation as to why he would suggest someone buy it now. Hey everything comes with risk. I am still crossing my fingers WOTC releases “Goyf Masters,” a set where every pack features a tarmogoyf guaranteed.

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By: Nicholas Andrew https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127389 Wed, 21 Dec 2016 08:28:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127389 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

So I think there is a common misconception about Modern Masters sets here. The pattern seems to be that the Mythic slot only is the explicit “this card needs a reprint” slot, and the rest of the set is largely “this mechanic is good for drafting, what cards are modern legal that we can put into it that fit this draft mechanic?”

The game design team just did landfall in BFZ. Set design starts roughly 2 years ahead of a set release. They knew that they had just done BFZ when they started this set, so my assumption would be that landfall wouldn’t happen in MM17, which is a draft set. Mostly because its boring game design space.

So if it does get a reprint it would probably be in the rare slot since its not really a chase modern card. But the rare slot is usually focused around draft mechanics more than the mythic slot. That’s what makes Bloodghast an unlikely printing in this set to me. If they do put it at mythic (I’d be surprised), then we’ll see the tarmogoyf effect on the price of it because originally a rare, reprinted at mythic, for a deck that is inexpensive leads to the “oh! Now I just need 3 more of these!” which would in the long run lead to a price increase on the card and on the rest of dredge.

The rest of dredge’s price is also likely to go up in the event that Bloodghast sees a reprint at rare. The card is a casual all-star, so its price probably won’t ever hit bulk. Its been on a steady incline for a long time. The card is brewed with all the time. It is used in any deck that abuses creature recursion in EDH. Its a great card that didn’t have a home in modern before now. Even if you buy in at $25, and dredge stays tier 1, GGT will probably climb in price to offset your loss on bloodghast (assuming only 1 of them gets printed). And Bloodghast will probably not stay super low forever.

I’m in the “if you want to play the deck, just buy the card” camp. Don’t speculate on it, because that ship has sailed (if you wanted to spec on Bloodghast you should have done it at $10 because of its casual appeal and the fact that people have been trying to make dredge a thing in modern for so long). But if you buy the whole deck, you probably won’t take a huge hit on the entirety of the collection unless BOTH GGT and Bloodghast get a reprint in MM17… which I would doubt.

If the deck doesn’t get banned in January, and Bloodghast doesn’t see a reprint in MM17, expect the card to continue to climb. For the record, I think this is the most likely outcome.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127388 Wed, 21 Dec 2016 02:08:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127388 In reply to Jim Casale.

I assumed he meant difficult to reprint in a standard-legal set. Keyword means nothing to getting printed in supplemental product (not the question here but still) and very little to getting printed in modern masters – these sets routinely support like a dozen keywords and as per Jim’s comment can have as few as 3 cards with the word on it.

Landfall has even recently been de-keyworded (Tireless Tracker) and if they do include it its not like Infect – it is perfectly fine as an ability on one or a few cards in the set. But it could also be a full blown mechanic to support reprinting something like Scapeshift at rare,

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127387 Tue, 20 Dec 2016 23:08:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127387 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

Anything is possible but not everything is probable. It’s probable that the cards that were chosen to be reprinted in MM17 were chosen over a year ago. Bloodghast was a $12 rare until Shadows over Innistrad this year. They also don’t like putting one keyworded card in a set. Exalted had 3 cards in MM15 which is probably the minimum. I’d say the chance of bloodghast getting reprinted is pretty low due to how much support the set needs for landfall as a mechanic and the lower price of the card at the time.

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127386 Tue, 20 Dec 2016 01:35:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127386 In reply to Zach Stackhouse.

Keep in mind, this is Jim’s (informed) opinion, but it’s not fool-proof. I agree with him that a dredge theme in draft is unlikely, but it’s certainly not impossible. Ultimately all this stuff comes down to the concept of “risk”—what he’s saying is that the buy-in on Grave-Troll is worth it in his estimation, but as with all forms of investing you want to be diversified across lots of specs so as not to get totally screwed by a missed prediction.

Tl;dr: There’s basically no such thing as a “safe” spec.

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127385 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:31:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127385 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

To quote the author in that exact section:

“It’s on the harder side of things to reprint, due to a fairly unique mechanic”

So it is a safe buy despite being expensive because he believes it is a less likely reprint. Gotta bear in mind WOTC looks at modern masters not only as a reprint set for constructed players but a cool draft environment to sell it to limited players as well.

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127384 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:26:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127384 And a very good point in regards to bloodghast. What drives me away from buying into most decks is what I call the “money card.” Every tier one deck has one or two cards that are $30+ each and always require a full playset. Karn in Tron, Mox Opal in Affinity, anything with Goyf or Hierarch…yeah. With things like fetchlands and old fastlands I’m generally more okay with it because a playset of polluted delta can be played in a lot of decks. That money card, man that’s a commitment to a strategy. I would hate to buy a playset of Snapcaster Mages only to find out I actually hate playing Grixis Control after six months.

Maybe I’m just scared of commitment even in MTG haha.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127383 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 14:01:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127383 Shouldnt you wait for mm17 at this point to see if bloodghast gets a reprint? Was surprised it was your top card to buy when it seems like a very plausible reprint.

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By: Kay Frazier https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127382 Sun, 18 Dec 2016 21:39:21 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127382 This was pretty helpful, and I would like to see more articles like this in the future.

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By: trward https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127381 Sun, 18 Dec 2016 04:56:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127381 I enjoyed it. I think the timeline of what to pick up is one of the harder aspects of buying into a deck

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By: Noah Bruner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/financial-deck-tech-dredge/#comment-2127380 Sun, 18 Dec 2016 00:57:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12454#comment-2127380 Hey Jim,

I really enjoyed the way you presented this information. I think it was one of the most catching financial articles yet, especially the part where you defined what the core of the deck is and how much it would cost to achieve.

Having said that, you and I are both Burn players at heart, so I’d love to see the actual breakdown of what is traditionally the “beginner’s” deck from a money perspective. Perhaps a small note of the chances of Goblin Guide being reprinted in MM17?

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