Comments on: The New Arrival: Frontier for the Modern Soul https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/frontier-modern-soul/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 06 Jan 2017 17:21:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/frontier-modern-soul/#comment-2127493 Fri, 06 Jan 2017 17:21:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12578#comment-2127493 Thanks for the article Jim! Personally, I can’t wait for frontier to fade away. I agree that individual magic formats are a zero sum game, and with only two accessible formats (because very few players find legacy worth getting into anymore, and nobody can really play vintage), it keeps Modern the go to eternal format. From my perspective, anything that could represent any kind of negative impact on a format I’ve sunk hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars into goes immediately on the list of bad things. I also think that the founding point of frontier, providing a smaller financial transition, doesn’t really hold true. There are plenty of decks in tier 2 that don’t tax the wallet like bgx decks do, and even at least one that trades most of it’s fetches for kaladesh fastlands (Jeskai Aggro)

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By: Victor Lavialle https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/frontier-modern-soul/#comment-2127492 Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:18:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12578#comment-2127492 I don’t agree with you on the fact that the popularity of formats is a zero-sum game. For your explanation to work you have to suppose that the player base is constant and that each magic player has the same preferences.

This is false and fails to explain the popularity of different formats. First because the playerbase is growing, which means it is actually a positive-sum game.

Second, I believe that the main reason for having different formats is that each of those occupy a different market space and appeal to different kinds of players. If you make the hypothesis that player preference are asymetrical, a new format doesnt necessarily imply a loss for other formats. It can also help grow the playerbase if it appeals to player types that were satisfied by neither format beforehand.

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By: nakapuff https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/frontier-modern-soul/#comment-2127491 Mon, 02 Jan 2017 20:21:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12578#comment-2127491 My question is:

If Wizards officially embraces Frontier who will define what will or could be banned? Will be Wizards, the community or Hareruya store?

Besides all the price, brew paradise and everything else if Frontier becomes a official format I don’t believe that Wizards will keep an eternal format without any ban list. And even before things get real who could determine a ban list? Hareruya? Players from USA, from Japan, from somewhere?

Even inside Frontier some players say that frontier should have a ban list with fetch lands. Hareruya says that frontier will not have a ban list but if players do not agree what could be done? Because there is no serious format where a LGS says “we will not play with ban list here” but other LGS says ” we will play Frontier but with a ban list”.

I’m not against Frontier just want to know how far will it go. I’m worried because some people are just selling it as a cheaper format and how wonderful it is. Any casual format is cheap before It becomes official and metagame gets solved. See how cheap was Liliana of the Veil before Modern official release.

No matter what format you play staples will always be expensive (most of them) even in Pauper. Magic is a game that could be as much expensive as you want. You don’t need to play a tier 1 to succeed and play with expensive cards to “have fun”. No matter what format you play you could have fun at any cost and sometimes be competitive with a good budget brew. You just need to know your priorities and how much you want to spent is this hobby.

People should not sell Frontier for it’s prices but for It’s card pool.

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By: Thomas Elfgren https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/frontier-modern-soul/#comment-2127490 Mon, 02 Jan 2017 11:36:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12578#comment-2127490 Please smother Frontier in it’s cradle and stop talking about it. Of course a new non-rotating format would be detrimental to Modern. That is exactly why a site dedicated to Modern shouldn’t write about it.

Magic can’t handle too many formats. I think it’s very understandable that people will continue to try to make new ones. But enough already. If you divide the community too much it will eventually fall. Anyone who plays MtG at their LGS is motivated to go there because there’s others there playing. If you thin out the crowd there will be a decline because with less people at the event it isn’t as fun to attend. Then it’ll decline even further.

This will eventually cause the heat death of MtG. I don’t think people understand this or they don’t care. Standard stale? What do you think Frontier would be? Rally, CC, Rhino, Jace. Don’t make me laugh.

🙁

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/frontier-modern-soul/#comment-2127489 Sun, 01 Jan 2017 19:43:09 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12578#comment-2127489 In reply to RJ Sims.

Totally agree with the article here. Risk of fragmenting player base is real – im sure most people have seen an fnm where the draft players try to get the standard players to switch over to fire the event. Granted most stores run different formats on different nights, but most players have a limited number of events theyll attend regardless.

Biggest fear for frontier though is that “brewers paradise” lasts three more weeks and we find out that if you arent playing company rally or dig you’re actually not competitive at all. With no banlist a solved broken metagame stays solved and broken. No big deal for the twenty dollar brew decks – but if you bought those jvps you might have some buyers remorse.

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By: RJ Sims https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/frontier-modern-soul/#comment-2127488 Sun, 01 Jan 2017 02:43:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12578#comment-2127488 I’m optimistic about Frontier. I like how the absence of blood moon and ensnaring bridge provides deck building freedom from mentioned hosers. Also the lack of lean mean catch all cards like bolt, path, and abrupt decay seems limiting at first but later I’ve realized how much more room it allows for deck design and game plans to develop. It’s cool how the seemingly “weak” and limited card pool creates a unique environment for deck design and game play.

Modern is still my favorite format and I don’t like supporting standard because its “$$$ deck = win” design. I will continue to brew fun janky stuff for my local modern fnm and fall back to Burn for PPTQs and GPTs. But I’m excited to play some Ensoul Artifact (or as i call it “izzet scissors”) aggro in Frontier because the deck cost me 20$ bucks to build. If Frontier takes off then sweet, I bought into the format for only 20$… if not then I will part the deck out and make 80% of my money back.

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By: Matt Spencer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2016/12/frontier-modern-soul/#comment-2127487 Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:26:18 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12578#comment-2127487 Frontier is a cash grab created and supported by large retailers who are sitting on piles of worthless cards that have already spiked heavily in price. It does a wonderful job negating one of its own foundational principles (price) before it’s even accepted as a real format!

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