Comments on: Modern Masters 2017 Mythic Predictions https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sat, 14 Jan 2017 18:42:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sebastian Nuñez https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127549 Sat, 14 Jan 2017 18:42:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127549 Hey Jim, outstanding article. I know you already pointed out there are too many rares that can be included, but aren’t there a group of them that are as likely as LotV to be in? Some mention Goblin Guide for example. Thanks for the all the work, it’s really helpful!

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127548 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 03:48:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127548 In reply to Matt Spencer.

There was really only 1 mythic in MM15 that was for the limited environment (comet storm) so its not totally out of the realm of possibility that they use this time to put some big cards at mythic that are also build around cards.

For example, craterhoof behemoth at mythic and the set also has unburial rites.

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127547 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 03:47:04 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127547 In reply to RJ Sims.

I’m personally expecting Griselbrand at mythic because it’s a modern card with a modest price tag. It’s hard to include too many expensive cards because if the MSRP of a pack is lower than the EV of a pack then you get into situations where stores often charge more than MSRP.

MM15 was a pretty good middle ground where the MSRP of a pack and the EV of a pack on release was close enough that it wasn’t impossible to find booster packs for $10.

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127546 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 03:45:09 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127546 In reply to Gino Killiko.

Honestly, it’s too early to tell and too hard to guess what rares might be in the set. I will revisit this once we get closer to the set release and have a few spoilers.

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127545 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 03:44:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127545 In reply to Asier MA.

I’m not sure Cavern of Souls was expensive enough to be on their radar when they were designing the set. It’s probable at rare if it is reprinted because its the type of card that would really not benefit a ton from a mythic reprint. It’s also from a time period that included mythics so my stance has been to assume those won’t be upgraded. We haven’t had a rare upgraded to mythic in this booster set unless it was only printed in sets that did not contain mythics to begin with.

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By: Jim Casale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127544 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 03:42:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127544 In reply to David Ekstam.

I’m not sure Snapcaster Mage’s price will drop at all if it’s reprinted as a rare. It’s already fallen a great deal due to people expecting it to get reprinted. I would expect it rebounds a bit faster if it’s a Mythic. I would not be surprised if it was still a $50 mythic.

If Preordain is unbanned there is not enough information to tell us if that would affect the price of Snapcaster Mage. Surely they are good together but there is no data to suggest which deck would benefit the most. Traditionally the blue card selection is banned to stop combo decks and not control style decks that play Snapcaster Mage.

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By: Gino Killiko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127543 Sun, 08 Jan 2017 18:41:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127543 In reply to RJ Sims.

Agreed that Damnation needs the reprint most after Lili, but why should a color-shifted Wrath of God (5$ rare) be moved to Mythic? I asked Jim for his opinion on it above, but I still don’t think they should do it. They reprinted Cryptic Command at rare when it was pushing 55-60$, why wouldn’t they do it for Damnation? As far as I’m concerned, there is no justification for moving that effect to Mythic rare, and doing so would be a bit of a slap in the face, not to mention that it wouldn’t help bring down the price nearly as much. I’ve got my fingers crossed for Lili and Obliterator at Mythic and Damnation at Rare.

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By: RJ Sims https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127542 Sun, 08 Jan 2017 03:41:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127542 As far as black cards go Lilly is going to get the #1 spot obviously and #2 should go to Damnation over Griselbrand or Obliterator etc. Griselbrand isn’t too expensive right now and it just had a GP printing recently. But Damnation is played in so many more decks in all the formats it just makes the most sense to me. Damnation has it’s own hashtag #freedamnation following to pete’s sakes!

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By: David Ekstam https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127541 Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:50:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127541 How many percentages do you think Snapcaster will drop if it is printed as (A) a rare, (B) as a mythic? Also, if, as has been speculated, preordain is unbanned how much would that affect the price of snappy?

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127540 Sat, 07 Jan 2017 05:20:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127540 In reply to Asier MA.

A lot of people are similarly hoping for Cavern, and I’m sure it’s on WoTC’s radar. That said, it was rare the first time around and probably would be this time too.

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By: Asier MA https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127539 Sat, 07 Jan 2017 01:51:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127539 I just wanted to add a land which has a quite high value and that needs a reprint due to it. Nobody thinks that Cavern of Souls should be reprinted? Now we have quite a big amount of decks which could use it (Eldrazis, Spirits, Merfolks, Elves…), so I believe it’s a good time for it. I’m crossing my fingers!

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By: Gino Killiko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127538 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 23:44:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127538 Very interesting article. Assuming they one day end up reprinting Damnation, are you confident it’ll get moved up to Mythic? It currently has the price tag to support it of course, but that’s basically ONLY because it’s an old rare from a set that wasn’t opened a ton. Wrath of God/Supreme Verdict are both less than 10$ for the same effect and are consistently printed at rare, is it too much to hope that they print Damnation at rare as well?

Also, do you intend to do a similar article for rares? I know that’s a bit more of a crapshoot since there are way more possible choices and slots for them in the set, but an informed look at the likelihood of seeing staples that people want in the set would be interesting. Hopefully Snapcaster is a lock and doesn’t get rarity shifted (obviously we won’t know 100% until it’s spoiled), it and Lili of the Veil are the 2 cards I think everyone expects/wants out of this set, and not delivering on that expectation would be pretty disastrous in my opinion.

Lastly, how much do you think having been printed in a previous MM sets affects the likelihood of being printed again? I don’t think it has a big impact on mythics, as history has shown, knocking their price down with consecutive printings is more important than mixing it up (plus the pool to choose from is a lot shallower) but what about rares and lower rarities? Cards like Chalice of the Void, Blood Moon, Arcbound Ravager, Aether Vial, Path to Exile, etc have been done in MM before, but they’re expensive again and due for a boost in circulation. I just wonder if WotC is likely to shy away from these cards to avoid making the sets too similar.

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By: Matt Spencer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127537 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 21:13:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127537 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d LOVE to see almost everything on this list. But knowing Wizards, they would likely put in unplayable jank that “helps the Limited environment” before giving us tooooo many good things in one set. Especially when many of those would be better suited for future Conspiracy/Eternal Masters releases (which seem to focus more heavily on Legacy/Commander). We’ll see how much they learned from EM and CN2, because MM15 was extremely polarizing to begin with and got even worse when they banned Twin after reprinting so many staples for the deck. “Confident” is not a word I use to describe their reprint management.

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127536 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 20:30:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127536 In reply to Matt Spencer.

If you look at the past Modern Masters sets (as Jim did) you’ll see a similar pattern. Same thing with Eternal Masters and Vintage Masters (a MTGO-only set)—tons of Commander fare. Wizards uses these sets to seed things for other players as well. We are almost certain to see some number of mythics and rares that are unplayable in Modern.

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By: Matt Spencer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-masters-2017-mythic-predictions/#comment-2127535 Thu, 05 Jan 2017 18:36:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12636#comment-2127535 For a set called “Modern Masters” there are a LOT of cards listed here that, while amazing, only really see play in Commander and other formats that are not Modern.

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