Comments on: Modern Metagame Breakdown: 12/1/2016 – 12/31/2016 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:07:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: William Sabato https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127742 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:07:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127742 In reply to William Sabato.

And how can I forget Wall of Omens and maybe kiki-jiki

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By: William Sabato https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127741 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:05:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127741 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

Saheeli can be decently strong. She has powerful -2 targets like snapcaster mage, and possibly reflector mage. I would be interested in a Jeskai blink shell.
4 saheeli Rai
4 Felidar Gaurdian
3 reflector mage
3 kitchen finks
4 snapcaster mage
2 goblin dark dwellers

as a creature base, some combination of these.

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By: William Sabato https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127740 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:02:05 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127740 First of all, I believe the Sun part of sun and moon refers to Elspeth, suns champion as the original finisher of choice. I am unsure if that remains the finisher of choice however.

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By: Aaron Elias Newbom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127739 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:20:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127739 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

Saheeli sun titan has been seeing some success in testing circles. They play like a sun titan deck in jeskai with an infinite win con, and felidar slots very nicely into a flicker deck like that. It might push it up to competitive

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By: Gino Killiko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127738 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:15:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127738 Yeah!!! As others have said, I’m very glad that the metagame updates are back with promise that they’ll be a staple of the site once again!

Re: the Saheeli/Felidar combo – I tested vs this deck on Cockatrice the other day (a Reddit user was looking to put it through a gauntlet) playing Affinity, and frankly I wouldn’t worry about it too much. The problem is not so much that the cards are bad (although they’re definitely not as good as Exarch was), the real problem is that without a flash piece, you see the combo coming from a mile away. Twin was one of Affinity’s worst match-ups, and a big part of that was having to hold up interaction mana, thus hindering my board development, every turn after turn 3. Not so here, I just flooded the board with my threats, and when one piece came down, simply untapped, Galvanic Blast’ed it and kept going about my business. We only play 4 matches but in those I dropped 2 games total. Some people will play the deck for sure, but it won’t be skyrocketing to Tier 1 anytime soon.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127737 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:58:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127737 In reply to James Luckhurst.

People using Mishra’s Bauble for its peek effect. What a format!

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127736 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:39:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127736 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

I agree. I don’t think this combo will make a dent.

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127735 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:48:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127735 In reply to Erik Perel.

Honestly I’m pretty skeptical. The new combo lacks the end-of-turn surprise potential of Twin, and neither half is as good in the “fair” role as Exarch/Pestermite were. If you can make Saheeli a good card with the rest of your deck, then you might be onto something.

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By: Erik Perel https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127734 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:42:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127734 I’ll be interested to see if the “new splinter twin” combo that has people juiced in standard will make waves in modern, too. UWR twin never did too much in modern in its time, but this could still be interesting. Perhaps in a develerless jeskai she’ll like Ryan has been advocating?

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127733 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:41:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127733 In reply to Randall Thompson.

Thank you for pointing out the error. It has been corrected.

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By: James Luckhurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127732 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:07:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127732 In reply to Randall Thompson.

This is crexalbo from the mtgsalvation forums.

I got this wrong the first time i looked at it, too. Zac Elsik popularized the deck with his GP win, but it was zerodown who came up with the original idea. It’s been worked on by multiple individuals ever since.

Also, i’d argue that Inventors’ Fair was the real catch from Kaladesh, not Blooming Marsh. Fair gave us maindeck life gain for aggressive decks, coupled with a tutoring effect for when the game goes long. It’s now a stock 2-of in virtually every list for the resilience and consistency it provides.

Also, new tech was recently discovered by kanister in the form of Mishra’s Bauble. They have been popularizing a low-to-the-ground Golgari build that focuses on consistency in the early game by using Baubles combined with mill rocks to use the card to look deeper than possible with other decks.

I’d personally say that the deck’s success is due in large part to the printings of Collective Brutality and Inventors’ Fair, and the adoption of Mishra’s Bauble. Marsh did provide a painless source of the deck’s primary colors, but that wasn’t as much of a boon as the other cards.

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127731 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:43:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127731 In reply to mtg thoughts.

I will have to go back and read that article, which was published before I came to Nexus. Assuming I can replicate the experiment, that is something we’ll look to do in future.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127730 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:42:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127730 Aaaaaaaand we’re back! Glad to have this with us to ring in the new year, especially to illuminate the standing of some of the decks that have had poor online showings but solid paper ones, or vice versa. Thanks for the work that’s been put in.

As for the bans… they’re clearly geared at making the format a bit slower, and I think they mostly succeed on that front. Unfortunately, the loss of Probe may be a deathblow to the likes of UR Prowess and Death’s Shadow Zoo. At the very least, the core will have to be significantly reworked. Such is life when you dip into Infect’s toolbox, I guess.

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By: mtg thoughts https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127729 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:30:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127729 So there were turn four rule offenders this time. Did we ever get the numbers of Infect, Death’s Shadow Zoo and UR Prowess? I remember an article here predicting Summer Bloom’s ban due to having pre-turn 4 kills about 25% of the time. I missed a similar article for these aggro decks here in Modern Nexus.

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By: Randall Thompson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127728 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:18:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127728 “Created by Zac Elsik”

One of you is a moderator in the forum where the deck was created, and have an article about the creation of the deck, and still got this wrong?

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127727 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:47:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127727 Hey guys! I just finished building UR Prowess aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it’s gone. Good thing a lot of those cards have value in other decks.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127726 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:39:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127726 Fantastic article jason, especially considering you added or rewrote portions to reflect yesterdays surprise ban update.

The next update will be extremely valuable in informing us on what the bans and fatal push mean to the format, so very much looking forward to that and seeing where dredge and infect land and whether modern will be a tron and valakut world now.

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By: Samuel Joseph Gardner-Medwin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/modern-metagame-breakdown-dec-16/#comment-2127725 Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:12:04 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12805#comment-2127725 Great to have the Metagame updates back Jason! I hope you’re also enjoying your new job.

Thank you for the transparency about the delay. I know a lot of us were champing at the bit for a new update (me definitely included!) but knowing that you guys are listening is a great relief.

Real bad luck that the timing of Wizards announcement steals the limelight of the metagame update, but the adjustments after the bannings will make the next update more important than ever.

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