Comments on: Back in the Woods: Probeless Temur Delver https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/probeless-temur-delver/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 15 Jan 2017 03:02:31 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/probeless-temur-delver/#comment-2127765 Sun, 15 Jan 2017 03:02:31 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12905#comment-2127765 In reply to Taylor Goodland.

It’s more that we’re working hard for Traverse, and Goyf happens to get really big as a result. As noted in my comment above, I’m still shopping around ways to deal with opposing Goyfs. Looks like a pair of EEs in the side is the place to start.

It’s true that Goyf is worse in a world full of Pushes, but Mandrills arguably gets better, and so do Bedlam Reveler, Huntmaster, and Blood Moon. The Reveler plan is great against the BGx shells and Monkey Grow has always been good against Tron. We’ll see if Push changes that.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/probeless-temur-delver/#comment-2127764 Sun, 15 Jan 2017 03:00:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12905#comment-2127764 In reply to Chris Striker.

Leveraging resources for sure. Spite is not really a main-deckable card, although I have tried it in a few shells. Dismember is much stronger because it interacts at instant speed and is less conditional.

But Spite has a better time killing Goyfs! Dealing with a 6/7 across the table has been my biggest obstacle in this new build. I’m starting by trying a second EE in the side and replacing Snag with Simic.

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By: Taylor Goodland https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/probeless-temur-delver/#comment-2127763 Sat, 14 Jan 2017 21:12:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12905#comment-2127763 Since you expect a metagame of Abzan, Grixis, and Tron, is this really the time to work so hard for goyf? All 3 will be leveraging Fatal Push so I can’t imagine why you’d play a goyf centered deck. [For the record, Tron has no reason to go white in dredge-free world; path befones push, and Blessed Alliance becomes Collective Brutality.]

If that’s the meta, isn’t this a bad time for the new monkey grow given Aether Revolt’s new removal? What deck preys on those three instead?

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By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/probeless-temur-delver/#comment-2127762 Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:50:36 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12905#comment-2127762 Thanks for the article Jordan :). I’ll continue to follow nexus’ coverage of Delver decks with great enthusiasm. I really like the look of this build, and I hope it does well for you! Traverse looks very strong in this deck, and that sideboard just -looks- fun. I am very curious about the concept of life management in this deck and shell, though. You made the comment about not being comfortable losing so little life to yourself that you were ok running a Dismember. Are you just leveraging a balance of resources here? Does Temur really need the Dismember when you’ve noted in the past that Spite of Mogis can usually do just as well, especially with Thought Scour in the mix?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/probeless-temur-delver/#comment-2127761 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 21:55:54 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12905#comment-2127761 In reply to Josh Dedrick.

Counter-Cat could only run a pair of Probes because of the damage it took from its manabase. Losing Probe from the deck doesn’t hurt that badly, but the metagame slowing down and Push coming to town does. CC lacks access to tools like Reveler that just hammer midrange. Mutagenic Growth also night become a less reliable answer to 1CMC removal.

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By: Josh Dedrick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/01/probeless-temur-delver/#comment-2127760 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 21:29:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=12905#comment-2127760 Thanks for the article, I knew this one was coming as soon as I saw the probe ban. I’m glad to see traverse the ulvenwald getting some more love, but I’m sad to see disrupting shoal go. How do you think counter-cat will weather the probe banning? seems like a harder hit to them than most delver decks.

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