Comments on: SCG Regionals 2017 Results Analysis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/scg-regionals-2017-results/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:42:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: Hagen Kirk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/scg-regionals-2017-results/#comment-2127976 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:42:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13367#comment-2127976 Another way to sort the results out is to give inverse values based on ranking, eg 1st gets 8 points down to 8th getting 1 point. Here is how that breaks down:

total
Affinity 52
Fringe* 51
Burn 44
Jund 39
Eldrazi* 38
Delver* 31
Titan Breach 30
Gx Tron* 27
Elves 22
Abzan Company 20
Bant Company 14
Goryo’s Vengeance 14
RW Prison 12
8Rack 11
Ad Nauseam 10
Scapeshift 7
Abzan 6
Jeskai Control 4

Playing Affinity still ends up being higher value than all the fringe decks put together. I think it’s safe to say Affinity, Burn, Jund and Eldrazi would be the tier 1 decks there. This actually backs up the decision yo had made early on in the article as that same list matches yours exactly.

It’s the most basic form of weighting and one I frequently use, so I thought it could be interesting for others.

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By: Aaron Elias Newbom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/scg-regionals-2017-results/#comment-2127975 Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:23:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13367#comment-2127975 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

That’s an interesting insight.

I definitely would love to read more on that

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/scg-regionals-2017-results/#comment-2127974 Tue, 21 Feb 2017 20:54:18 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13367#comment-2127974 In reply to Wallace Freemon.

Wallace,

I definitely agree with you, an earlier version of the article went more heavily into this discussion. I’m of the opinion that Top 8 Conversion rate to win does matter, Patrick Chapin’s old articles on this subject are the basis for my beliefs.

There’s a theory that there are “Top 8 decks” and “finals decks” and there are a couple ways to distinguish between the two. I would call Burn a top 8 deck, along with Affinity. Both have won events, of course, but some value comes from the opponent already knowing you are on Burn/Affinity. Think of the opening hands that seem fine, but are unkeepable against those archetypes. Those types of decks definitely lose value in the Top 8 (a little bit, but value lost nonetheless).

Jund has always been a “solid against everything, great against nothing” deck. There has been continued discussion that Jund is a great deck to reach the top 8 with, but difficult to win the event with. Maybe we have a future article topic here. Thanks for your thoughts!

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By: Aaron Elias Newbom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/scg-regionals-2017-results/#comment-2127973 Tue, 21 Feb 2017 20:13:18 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13367#comment-2127973 An interesting data point.

I played in the San Diego regionals. Narrowly missed top 8 with my sultai midrange deck.

There was over 40 tron players at the event. Possibly over 50.

At the top 20 tables (40 players) round 7 I saw 13 tron players.
This was after 2 6-0 tron players got dq for collusion.

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By: Wallace Freemon https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/scg-regionals-2017-results/#comment-2127972 Tue, 21 Feb 2017 19:18:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13367#comment-2127972 The use of some kind of T8 conversion rate within the T8 itself is… kind of odd. One of the SCG writers said something similar – implying that Jund wasn’t a great choice because though it put the most decks in T8, it had zero wins. This seems bunk to me.

The amount of variance in Magic makes me very wary of applying much significance to results as opposed to things like Day1->Day2 conversion. We’re effectively drawing conclusions from a three round single elimination event, when the real conclusions come from getting into that event. It’s a shame that we don’t have more data from regionals; something like X-2 and better decks or the whole field.

Also, 3rd/4th and 5th-8th should be weighted the same, IMO. The only difference is initial seeding in the T8.

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