Comments on: The Cheeri0s Series: GP Vancouver Deck of Choice https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 21 Feb 2017 21:26:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127952 Tue, 21 Feb 2017 21:26:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127952 In reply to Tommy Hoff Hansen.

Belcher runs land grant, 8 spirit guides, seething song, dark ritual and expensive builds add lion’s eye diamond. Comparing apples and oranges.

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By: Tommy Hoff Hansen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127951 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:26:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127951 In reply to Jordan Corgatelli.

I can believe in it!
you got a total of 13 sources able to produce white mana, supported by 3 extra mana from ssg.
Merfolk uses 12 islands and consistently gets to play lord of the atlantis or brother at turn 2.

Those disbelieving the deck may forget that part of your equipment may generate mana as well.
(paradise mantle) if some of your equipment is actually also a potential 1/1 germ token for 1 mana.

Some people also forget that other decktypes run on far less mana generation than this
(charbelcher)

Keep on working with it, win and prove them wrong 😀

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127950 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:25:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127950 In reply to Aaron Elias Newbom.

Wear/Tear is very strong and I’d be cool with anyone who wanted to do -1 Truth and +1 W/T. I really love W/T against decks running hate critters like Eidolon of Rhetoric alongside Spellskite; an opponent can’t redirect a Tear to Spellskite because it isn’t a legal target.

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By: Aaron Elias Newbom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127949 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:23:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127949 Hey just a suggestion for the sideboard.

Wear//tear has been excellent for me. It’s just a little bit more consistent in that sense. Not sure if you’ve tried it

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127948 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:25:59 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127948 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Re: positioning
I’m definitely on the hype train from results. It just feels amazing on MTGO, both in interactive and non-interactive games, and the numbers reflect the qualitative experience. I absolutely vouch for it, although you do need some experience with it to see the outs and play lines AFTER T3 when things get more complicated.

Re: DSZ
You’re totally right. I’m going to edit that now. Interestingly, it doesn’t affect my data because I’ve only played a handful of DSZ matchups in my dataset and I’m still 60% against the deck.

Re: Saws vs. Shields
Paladin and Sram reach is critical, both on the offensive and on the defensive (particularly in double block scenarios). With 12 artifacts that pump toughness, you are very likely to be outside of double Bolt range as-is. The Shields increase those odds and help in a few games, but not as many games as where the Saws are going to help you deter attackers or apply the beats.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127947 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:22:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127947 In reply to Eoin Lanier.

GOGO CHEERI0S! Glad to hear you enjoyed the piece and I can promise at least a few more to come. Agree that mini-eggs was deeply offensive!

Here’s to lots of Paladins and Srams at Vancouver!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127946 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:20:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127946 In reply to Jordan Corgatelli.

That list seems super inconsistent to me. 28 equipment is way too many. Honestly, 24 is too many; 20-21 is better. This gives you room for Serum Visions or even Serum Powder if you really want to go the all-in route. For lands, you need at least 14-15 and I strongly encourage you to run Rugged Prairie if you’re using SSG. That way you can at least cast your Paladins off SSG and a single land, which you can’t do with SSG otherwise.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127945 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:46:04 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127945 I’m surprised by your assertion on Cheerios’ positioning. I would have expected that a deck that has the hype train on its side as much as this one does that is well positioned would have put up more results than it has. Is this just something coming from a very seasoned and confident pilot of the deck, or is it coming from interpretation of the data? I have a bit of an issue with that, by the way – you lump Death’s Shadow into the “1-4 pieces of removal” category, when the current versions of the deck are packing 8-10 discard spells (including Collective Brutality), 4 Tarfires, 2-3 Kolaghan’s Commands, 2-3 Lilianas, and sometimes even Fatal Push. That deck is chock full of disruption, and deserves to be in the first category. That makes the determination of whether Cheeri0s is well-positioned a bit more complicated.

I also have a question on your choice of Bone Saw over Kite Shield. Most folks are on the “maximum toughness pump” equipment plan to maximize the odds of having creatures that are power 2/toughness a bunch (especially in multiples). Thoughts on that?

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By: Eoin Lanier https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127944 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:44:18 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127944 You have been one of the longest-time, and definitely the most technical, rigorous, and unbiased architects. This article is incredible and I hope literally everyone takes Cheeri0s to Vancouver.

Love from serenechaos

PS Tell the financial guy he hurt my feelings with the “mini-eggs” thing T_T lol

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127943 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:16:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127943 In reply to Jordan Corgatelli.

I don’t see how you could, with 9 lands, get turn one wins. Sram needs double white, meaning a turn one win requires a land plus an active opal, which would require playing two other artifacts that turn or a paladin and SSG instead of opal. I don’t see that happening “a lot.”

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By: Jordan Corgatelli https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/the-cheeri0s-series-gp-vancouver-deck-of-choice/#comment-2127942 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:31:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13260#comment-2127942 Ever since sram got spoiled I have been playing a version of cheri0s that was:
28 equipment
4 flooded strand
3 hallowed fountain
2 plains
4 opal
3 SSG
4 sram
4 paladin
4 retract
1 grapeshot
3 noxious revival
I have gotten a lot of turn one wins and most of my wins are turn 2. What do you think of my version?

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