Comments on: Weekend Recap: The Shadow of Death https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 24 Feb 2017 21:29:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Hagen Kirk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2128005 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 21:29:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2128005 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

Decks with 4 Snapcasters and 4 Vapor Snag, some number of Push or Path, maybe even Reality Shift if the 2/2 is not a big deal could be something to consider. Burn and a full load of D Palm is something else.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2128004 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:20:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2128004 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

In my experience, the matchup has been about even (with DS probably a bit favored in Game 1, and Merfolk a bit favored postboard), with both sides having powerful tools to bring to bear. That said, my version of the deck has Vapor Snags and Sea’s Claims, which are potent tools to bring to bear against Death’s Shadow’s threats and manabase. Jonathon (the pilot of the Merfolk video, and a rather popular streamer) put up a Grand Prix video, and he feels that Sea’s Claim is very well positioned because of Death’s Shadow and Eldrazi Tron.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2128003 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:10:04 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2128003 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Hey Roland,

Lantern’s performance is definitely interesting, by my count it has won three Grand Prix at this point? Could be wrong, just remembering off the top of my head the occasions it has come out of nowhere to win an event. I’m not sure what I can say on the topic with any security, my personal opinion is that the archetype is powerful but beatable with a strong plan and knowledge of the matchup, but it does have the ability to take metagames (and unprepared opponents) by surprise.

As for Merfolk, it would have been interesting to see the finals matchup go differently, the first game he never found a second land and the second was a little one-sided as well. I have just a little experience in the matchup and it felt favorable for me (Death’s Shadow) but Merfolk has tools to fight back and they can present a lot of damage quickly. I would be interested to see a version that makes use of Vapor Snag and how it performs against Death’s Shadow.

Thanks,
Trevor

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2128002 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:02:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2128002 In reply to Aaron Elias Newbom.

I’m only a few matches in to testing with the archetype, but I’ve played Jund twice and I definitely feel a lot better about the matchup than I did before. Not ready to call it great yet, but it is for sure no longer horrible.

Trevor

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2128001 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:01:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2128001 In reply to artfranc007.

I thought about discussing Lantern Control, but chose to leave that open for others to attack the topic. Mainly I was interested in the biggest storyline out of each event, and Lantern Control’s finish took second to Dredge in my mind.

Fair criticism though, as the champion of the Grand Prix should at least get some recognition. Thanks for the feedback!

Trevor

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2128000 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 15:59:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2128000 In reply to Zach Stackhouse.

Zach,

That’s a great point that really contributes to the strength of the deck. Lightning Bolt is pretty bad against it, which is a great spot to be if you’re the Death’s Shadow deck. The ability to blank one of the best removal spells in the format holds a lot of value

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127999 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 15:28:04 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127999 Hi Trevor,

I know that your focus here was on the overarching narratives (namely that Dredge and Death’s Shadow are still forces to be reckoned with, and that Jeskai Control still has a pulse), but I was wondering what your thoughts were on some of the other lists. Lantern beating Dredge is no surprise given the matchup, but Lantern taking down Grand Prix Brisbane is an eyebrow-raiser. A lot of people had left the deck for dead of late, but here it is winning on the biggest stage.

I’d also like to hear your thoughts on the Merfolk deck that claimed 2nd place at Grand Prix Vancouver, and coming very close to spoiling Death’s Shadow’s coming-out party. Again, people assumed that the deck would take a hit with the printing of Fatal Push, but the opposite is turning out to be case – its meta share is only going up. Looking forward to hearing your opinion on these.

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By: Aaron Elias Newbom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127998 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 01:55:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127998 My friend was on that jund shadow deck at regionals. He ended up top 16. I was one of his two losses (sultai midrange)
It definitely felt stronger than classic jund

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By: James Luckhurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127997 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 01:05:34 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127997 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

That’s all i needed to hear. Thank you!

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127996 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:38:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127996 In reply to James Luckhurst.

Yes, that’s my fault… I got it; I just have tons of stuff to work through. You’re on my short list of people to contact about primers, once I get the first one up.

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By: James Luckhurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127995 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:01:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127995 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

I didn’t even know that was a political hashtag.

All this being said, I *did* end up submitting a 2999-word Lantern article a week ago and still haven’t heard as much as a “Hey we got it, give us a few weeks to see if we’ll run it or reject it”…

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127994 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:56:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127994 In reply to artfranc007.

You’re free to call out bias and criticize our articles. Please don’t include hashtags with very clear political implications. I strongly prefer not to delete comments but I will if I feel they are too off topic.

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By: artfranc007 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127993 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:44:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127993 In reply to Jason Schousboe.

how’s that political? don’t get triggered, i was just calling it for what it is. this site has been biased against lantern from the beginning. even when it won okc, ya’ll made every excuse under the sun except that it was a good deck.

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127992 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:20:54 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127992 In reply to artfranc007.

That does seem like a gap in our analysis here. That said, let’s please keep the political stuff out of posts.

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By: artfranc007 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127991 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:29:31 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127991 doesn’t even mention lantern control in his analysis of gp brisbane. totally biased. #fakenews

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By: James Luckhurst https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127990 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:14:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127990 Nothing on Lantern taking down GP Brisbane?

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weekend-recap-shadow-death/#comment-2127989 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:10:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13447#comment-2127989 The Death Shadow Jund deck looked very powerful in the matches I watched on stream. It basically plays like Jund midrange but with a creature coming down as a two turn clock rather than durdling around with Dark Confidant and Scooze. It really is a traverse the ulvenwald deck. That being said, I think it has the same weaknesses of regular Jund. Ramp decks can go over the top and without something to give creatures haste, an early Wurmcoil Engine from Tron or a massive Valakut strike are tough to avoid given the ramp deck’s redundancy. I did not see a lot of those archetypes in Day 2. For some reason most pros chose Eldrazi Tron.

I think you can make a case that Snapcaster Mage decks are in okay shape too, assuming they have enough removal between Fatal Push, Path to Exile and/or Terminate. That brings up what may be the biggest issue – Lightning Bolt is virtually useless against the deck. By the time a creature comes out it will probably be X/4.

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