Comments on: Weird Science: Dissecting Modern’s Eldrazi Decks https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weird-science-dissecting-moderns-eldrazi-decks/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:15:02 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weird-science-dissecting-moderns-eldrazi-decks/#comment-2128011 Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:15:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13469#comment-2128011 In reply to Odin Enzmann.

Hey Odin, was good to meet you in Worcester and talk Colorless. Missed this post but wanted to address something you said publicly: I agree that Ballista makes things way better for ET than they used to be, but hold that the deck has a shaky Affinity matchup relative to the other two Eldrazi decks covered here. In hindsight, I wish I had made the “relative to the other decks” bit more clear, as this article has generated quite a bit of backlash in the Eldrazi communities I follow for some of the matchup assessments!

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By: Odin Enzmann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weird-science-dissecting-moderns-eldrazi-decks/#comment-2128010 Sat, 25 Feb 2017 18:08:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13469#comment-2128010 I’m glad you’ve chosen to cover each of these decks in the context of the format. One thing that I would argue is that affinity isn’t necessarily “unfavorable” for eldrazi tron, due to the inclusion of walking ballista. In my experience with the matchup, it is generally easy for tron to take a heavy control route especially games 2 and 3, while a single ballista draw in the mid or late game can be just as good as a vandalblast play (it really does slaughter anything except manlands, and even those are threatened). I think that it is an undependable measure of overall matchup assessment, but it seems to be the same situation as something like stony silence in a maindeck: completely busted clean in half when it resolves, and just business as usual if the tron player doesn’t find it. This is small beans, but it is fresh in my mind and worth considering in the matchup assessment.

I’ve been trying out this eldrazi stompy deck online and I have to say it’s worked a lot better as a “meta deck” than I would have expected. Its interaction with online nightmares such as deaths shadow, cheerios, and burn turn those matchups into cakewalks and feel massively rewarding. I am very seriously considering taking this list to the upcoming titanium series in worcester, and would like to know if there are any changes you would make to the deck going forward. The options I was most looking to was a move of 1 to 2 relics from the sb into the main to address deaths shadow, dredge (with the outlook that it will have an uptick) and the control matchups.
Unlike your experience, I have had more trouble with esper and UW control, in which the main issue has been utilizing eternal scourge. I have been bringing in relics for these reasons, but they have largely been underwhelming inclusions. There was a comment posted on another article that suggested the inclusion of cavern of souls over another utility land, but I wasn’t completely sold on it, given that each control deck (except grixis) tends to disrupt lands anyway.
This essentially leads me to believe I am just playing the matchup wrong, but I’m curious to know if there are any decisions you’ve felt were important to that matchup.
Thanks!

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weird-science-dissecting-moderns-eldrazi-decks/#comment-2128009 Sat, 25 Feb 2017 07:02:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13469#comment-2128009 In reply to Matthew Jones.

Glad to see the deck getting better 🙂

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By: Matthew Jones https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weird-science-dissecting-moderns-eldrazi-decks/#comment-2128008 Sat, 25 Feb 2017 00:06:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13469#comment-2128008 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Mono White E&T top 8ed GP Vancouver. Going Vial-less seemed to shore up some of the weaknesses you mentioned. The version that top 8ed was more value-oriented than the old disruption-oriented variants.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weird-science-dissecting-moderns-eldrazi-decks/#comment-2128007 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 18:57:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13469#comment-2128007 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

E&T may play some Eldrazi, but like you said, it’s not an Eldrazi deck. It’s a Hatebears deck. These decks have fundamentally different gameplans so I don’t feel comfortable including E&T in this hyper-focused piece on the pros and cons of each Modern Eldrazi deck in relation to one another.

But honestly I don’t think the deck is viable anymore. Modern has evolved past it. If you want to play Thought-Knot Seer in a well-rounded, fair deck, just play Bant Eldrazi. Stirrings lets that deck disrupt more reliably with Explosives, hit its curve and power cards more often, and find bullets after siding. E&T is often at the mercy of its topdecks and is much easier to disrupt significantly (Moon also hoses this deck and a removal spell on Vial frequently puts games away; besides, Bolt/Push/Path are awesome against E&T and significantly weaker vs Bant).

What results are you referring to when you say the deck is reasonably successful?

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/02/weird-science-dissecting-moderns-eldrazi-decks/#comment-2128006 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 18:44:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13469#comment-2128006 I enjoyed reading this article, and I agree with many of the points detailed in it. I’d like to see this writeup expanded to include Eldrazi & Taxes. While it’s not really “an Eldrazi deck” in that it doesn’t typically reach for Reality Smasher anymore, it’s definitely repping the creature types and is pretty reasonably successful.

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