Comments on: Restoring Balance with As Foretold https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:29:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: M Salazar https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128203 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:29:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128203 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Keep in mind you can suspend Lotus Bloom for those three mana.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128202 Tue, 11 Apr 2017 05:34:23 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128202 In reply to M Salazar.

Transmute is too slow for Modern IMO. The whole point of AF is that we don’t have to take a turn off to set up our mana-cheat solution.

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By: felischos https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128201 Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:23:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128201 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

most ad nauseam lists play 1 lab maniac and lightning storm main.

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By: M Salazar https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128200 Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:33:20 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128200 In reply to M Salazar.

I forgot > Just change some defenders for the planeswalker of your choice.

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By: M Salazar https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128199 Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:31:34 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128199 In reply to M Salazar.

I forgot> the idea is using some transmute defenders to get easily to AsF. Meanwhile you can use this defenders to search for your combination, survive, and setup your big turn> Draw three cards, reset the board, and win from here.

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By: M Salazar https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128198 Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:28:40 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128198 Hey guys nice article. I have a proposal here> https://deckstats.net/decks/556/706178-as-foretold

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By: Tanner Bromer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128197 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 23:23:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128197 In reply to Tanner Bromer.

Nvm I misread

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By: Tanner Bromer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128196 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 22:04:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128196 “Combo decks like Ad Nauseam have no way to beat a Gideon in game one” Uhhh why? Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but this card is not just Worship if you read it. Lightning Storm just blasts you and Gideon at the same time. Then when state based actions are checked you have no Gideon and a negative life total so you lose. Lightning Storm isn’t a permanent you can target beforehand and Gideon is only indestructible on your turn. So what’s the deal?

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128195 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 16:25:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128195 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

The more time you spend reading the design columns Maro and other Wotc employees put out, the more you realize how many of their decisions are geared towards the casual playerbase. They’ve done a lot of work trying to make the game more intuitive for newcomers and kitchen table players, and have been explicit in stating complexity creep is the biggest threat to the game. As such it seems much more likely these changes were related to the counterintuitive nature of the rules, and had little to do with its competitive implications.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128194 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 14:16:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128194 In reply to 3emeFarceur.

Rare for them to have both win conditions in the main deck, and Gideon + Sanctity forces a concession from them either way.

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By: 3emeFarceur https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128193 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 06:32:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128193 Giedon just slows Ad Nauseam down a turn right ? They can just Lightning storm it before winning with Lab Maniac if they comboed through Phyrexian Unlife, I think. Obviously Daddy Gid’s still good at stopping Angel’s Grace Shenanigans though.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128192 Fri, 07 Apr 2017 21:57:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128192 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

Nothing in Wizards’ announcement indicates that the change was made with Modern’s health in mind. The announcement clearly states the change was made to make the game more intuitive to newer players, and to prevent interactions like those with the fuse cards and expertise from crossing over into Standard.

I do find it humorous that a “replacement” mana-cheat effect very mechanically similar to fuse/expertise popped up in Modern so shortly after fuse/expertise was nuked, but I think it’s important to take Wizards’ words at face value in cases like these, and not to assume they have multiple hidden agendas that are at odds with each other. Especially if we want to remain sane as the company strives to make the game more accessible for everyone.

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By: Jason Schousboe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128191 Fri, 07 Apr 2017 20:55:18 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128191 In reply to Jacob Kellogg.

Matt Tabak clarified on Twitter. It does, in fact, work with spells that have no mana cost.

https://twitter.com/TabakRules/status/849759413581750272

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By: Jacob Kellogg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/04/restoring-balance-as-foretold/#comment-2128190 Fri, 07 Apr 2017 20:49:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=13990#comment-2128190 How sure are we that As Foretold even works this way? I can’t help noticing that it uses language of “pay {0} rather than pay the mana cost” instead of the vastly more common “cast [object] without paying its mana cost” (a la Goblin Dark-Dwellers). There has to be a reason that they phrased it so differently, right?

I mean, maybe you’re right, but it makes me raise one eyebrow to notice that a new card with such bizarrely unconventional wording for a free-cast mechanic is coming out at about the same time that WotC demonstrated an awareness of the free-cast shenanigans currently happening in Modern.

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