Comments on: It’s Time Again: Banlist Options https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 21 May 2017 20:41:10 +0000 hourly 1 By: Trevor Johnston https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128391 Sun, 21 May 2017 20:41:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128391 I feel like Preordain stands the best chance, and I’ve been most curious about it for a few months now.

I vote Preordain.

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By: Jordan Corgatelli https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128390 Sat, 20 May 2017 17:04:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128390 I am of the opinion that the only cards that should be unbanned are stoneforege mystic and Jace the mind sculptor. But outside of those in my mind the only possibilities are seething song, Preordain, dig through time, and the artifact lands. Currently seething song would push storm over the edge with Baral and electromancer bringing the cost down to 1 Mana. Preordain is I admit the most likely of the four but I also don’t like it because it makes all combo decks that much better and I am don’t really like storm or ad nauseum, I am a bit more open to the possibility of dig through time because I have a soft spot for esper draw-go and that would slot right into the deck, dig claims my vote. The one I want to see tested the most is the artifact lands, I am of the opinion that they wouldn’t significantly help affinity yet they would open up many other deck styles that have potential.

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By: Ryan Sands https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128389 Fri, 19 May 2017 18:38:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128389 Definitely think preordain is more realistic, though I prefer Dig through Time for what it’d enable.

I’ll vote Dig.

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By: ben coley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128388 Fri, 19 May 2017 06:30:47 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128388 In reply to David Ernenwein.

If I may:

The wizards reasoning for banning dig through time was controversial at the time, for a couple of reasons:

1) Delver had never played the card.
2) wizards was assuming a level of intimacy with the nuances of the deck that they have since shown is unlikely to be backed up by testing (numerous occasions they have stated that they don’t test for modern).

We have a situation where they used an educated guess to suggest that Delver might pick up the card, based on zero data and little or no testing.

Regardless of their written reasons, you can’t seriously consider delver as the deck “that got dig banned” because it was only hypothetical. Delver never even played dig. Dig merely got the axe for being vaguely similar to treasure cruise, and if your testing on unbanning cards is going to be worth anything at all, you need to be testing these cards primarily in shells where we know they’ll get played, ideally because they’ve seen play before. Scapeshift was tier 1 with dig, it was a good deck. It’s the most successful deck that ran the card & is the clear testing choice.

There wasn’t a clear “deck that got Dig banned” in this situation, because wizards’ written reasons reference a deck that didn’t even play the card. I think you have to expand your testinf criteria in this instance

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128387 Thu, 18 May 2017 20:57:04 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128387 Neither is particularly likely, but sign me up for Preordain. I expressed interest in before, and I’ll double down now.

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By: Chris Striker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128386 Thu, 18 May 2017 18:32:42 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128386 Preordain gets my vote

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By: Ryan Salter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128385 Thu, 18 May 2017 12:48:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128385 Preordain gets my vote

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By: Gino Killiko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128384 Thu, 18 May 2017 03:37:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128384 Preordain please 🙂

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By: Matt Owens https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128383 Thu, 18 May 2017 02:55:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128383 I like the idea for the testing. My thoughts on the two:

Dig Throught Time- I do understand the reasoning on what decks you’ll be testing with, but DTT in Delver will be kind of cool, but seems like it’d be better in combo or control. Being a Delver player though, it’d be neat to see. Maybe DTT would be a card they could restrict in modern. But I don’t think we’ll ever see it come back.

Preordain- Actually I think would be massive to helping the viability of Delver, and only make Storm better. It’d slot into every blue deck and be a 3/4$$ common! Boring card, but huge impact.

Let’s see the unknown, go Preordain.

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By: Matt Owens https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128382 Thu, 18 May 2017 02:46:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128382 In reply to Marco Gheri.

But is it the one you deserve?

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By: Aaron Elias Newbom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128381 Wed, 17 May 2017 21:56:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128381 Dig through time is provably broken. It’s banned in legacy and even restricted in vintage. We have all the data we need on it.

Preordain is not banned in either.
It’s only a weeeeee bit better than serum visions, however it’s serum visions 5-8.

I think it’s much closer to being able to be unbanned comparative to dig, and therefor wayyyy more worth your time

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128380 Wed, 17 May 2017 19:44:36 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128380 In reply to Samuel Joseph Gardner-Medwin.

I knew that I needed to test a fair blue deck with these cards. When I looked at the various metagame rankings across the web the highest was always UW, with various Grixis builds a distant second. I didn’t see Jeskai builds very often and always tier 3. As my policy is to use high tier decks in testing whenever possible, I went with UW.

This has the additional benefit that Dig and Preordain are good cards in UW. While I’m sure that a Grixis list would run Preordain (most already run Serum Visions) I’m skeptical that Dig is where they want to be.

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By: elmahnken https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128379 Wed, 17 May 2017 16:57:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128379 Dig Through Time is my vote. But I’m quite skeptical that either is safe for Modern.

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By: Seth Monroe Shores https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128378 Wed, 17 May 2017 16:55:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128378 In reply to SOU Organization.

Never had an issue with blood moon on ad nauseam between the 3 basics, pentad, and lotus bloom. I do think it is greatly affected by discard and surgical which seems to be a growing trend.

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By: Lukas Sperl https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128377 Wed, 17 May 2017 16:46:31 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128377 Preordain !

We all know that DtT is way too good for MDN. But the impact of a “pushed Serum Visions” for Storm would be really interesting.

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By: Mantis Rider https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128376 Wed, 17 May 2017 16:25:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128376 Dig Throug Time!!!! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE

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By: jenncertainty https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128375 Wed, 17 May 2017 14:59:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128375 I vote for Dig Through Time.

Part of it’s personal, because Dig might be my all time favorite card. But I also think Preordain is too obviously broken. I’d love to have Preordain in Modern but of the two, I think Dig is less-obviously broken, and thus will probably be a more interesting test.

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By: Soramaro https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128374 Wed, 17 May 2017 12:36:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128374 Preordain, please

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By: Luca Ceresani https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128373 Wed, 17 May 2017 11:34:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128373 Oooh you were so close to make me change my mind when you mentioned testing dtt in a UR Delver deck, but I stand by my previous choice.
I vote for preordain.

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By: Samuel Joseph Gardner-Medwin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/05/time-again-banlist-options/#comment-2128372 Wed, 17 May 2017 11:13:44 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=14360#comment-2128372 I vote Preordain.

(I agree with other Nexites that a card banned in Legacy is unlikely to be UN-banned in Modern…)

(David: could you elaborate on why you choose UW Control over UWR Nahiri? I understand that UW is more popular atm (?), but I feel that Jeskai Nahiri has more to gain from the scry-first-draw-later due to Emrakul being in the deck, alongside digging deeper into the deck and seeing more high-impact sideboard cards which both decks share.
Btw my highest compliments, your contribution to the format really is unparalleled!)

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