You get an extra turn after that turn. Then the regular turn cycle continues, which in this case means you take your normal turn.

I’ll keep working at it. Although Grim Flayer is a bit slow, I find he does a lot of what the deck needs…he can apply pressure, he can find answers, he can stack miracles, he gives another value effect on resolved masteries. Maybe mastery card goes into onto the Sultai Delerium deck that was running around with new Emrakul a while back…or somewhere closer to a Sultai Shadow deck. Fits the theme anyways…one rules question I have is what happens exactly when you cast Temporal Master on opponents turn?

My advice is to try anyway! After a few drafts I bet you won’t find it as daunting. And who knows, you might stumble upon something exceptional in the meantime.

Sultai with Search for Ascanta, Revengge of the unted, New Nissa, Grim Flayer.

Temur with the Burn spell…

Also testing with Noxious revival…so there is some plan to scry and manipulate the top, but also to bin miracles from hand and put them back.

Its a big puzzle that I think can be solved and as cards like Search and Nissa and Opt make their way into modern someone is going to break miracles…I just inf it overwhelming to brew in the format.

Thank you for the constructive criticism ^_^

I appreciate the reply. Thanks for a good article Jordan!

That’s totally fair and was an oversight on my part. I agree that it would have added to the article. Turns players: you have indeed been playing with Temporal Mastery!

Of course 🙂

I was referring to your implication that modern hadn’t really seen the use of Temporal Mastery before. I’d like to have seen some acknowledgement that the card does indeed have a consistent home in modern. Better still, as you (as a brewer) are in the business of fringe strategies or themic brews, I’d have gladly welcomed a comment from you saying why you didn’t think Turns was very good or worth considering. It would have… added to the richness of your article, shall we say.

In terms of respect, it really wasn’t for the deck that I was implying. It was more for the players that have similarly been trying to give this specific card a home in modern and have sunk in countless hours tweaking and testing at all different levels of competition. In an article about this one card where you make sweeping conclusions as to whether it’s “good in modern” it behoves you to make some kind of comment on other people’s efforts, even if your comment is to criticise and set a benchmark for how you intend to do better. Your own brewing or testing doesn’t exist in isolation, was my point, and even a passing mention of turns (negative or positive) maybe at the beginning of the article, would have added more weight to your direction and commentary.

I hope you don’t think this too scathing. I just feel it’s important to acknowledge stuff like this even if it’s to pass criticism. It makes your piece stronger I feel because it shows attention to detail and understanding of the format. Os that fair?

I actually think that deck is quite bad. Compare it to another linear combo deck, Ad Nauseam: It takes a turn or two longer to get online, has less incidental interaction for the opponent (Grace and Unlife happen to be nuts against certain strategies), is less consistent since it doesn’t run as many cantrips, needs to assemble more pieces to go for a kill, and is prone to fizzling out.

I kind of feel the same way about Gx Devotion: it’s slower than other linear combo decks and boasts a worse payoff. I have found that the best builds of this deck splash for 4x Moon in the main, which lets them cheese games against decks they otherwise are too slow and fragile to beat. Of course, Moon turns off Nykthos. And at that point you might as well play Ponza—resolving Inferno Titan is more or less as good as resolving a huge Genesis Wave in Modern.

There are lots of decks in Modern that are playable at the local level but not on the competitive scene because they simply lack an obvious element compared with an actual deck—they’re a turn slower (like the above examples), they’re card-for-card less efficient (like my BUG Rogues brews), etc. That doesn’t mean they can’t be fun or interesting, but I personally am less interested in most of these decks because I have tried iterations of them myself and come face to face with their shortcomings already.

“Respecting” a certain deck by name-dropping it is a really fascinating concept, though. I do name-drop decks when I think doing so will contribute to my piece, often by giving readers a reference point or anticipating certain reactions. I can see mentioning the Turns deck as part of the latter. But to think a deck is “deserving of respect” enough to be shouted out whenever one of its key cards is mentioned seems a little weird. I know it’s hyper-tangential, but would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that phrase?

The ‘turns’ deck (or decks, it’s a bit divergent) is fringe but competitive. I realise the purpose of this article wasn’t to do a deck-tech and I assume you know of the deck’s existence, but at the least a minor nod to the archetype seems appropriate here, even respectful maybe.

Otherwise good article. I appreciate brewers trying new directions and selecting cards a bit off the beaten track.

My suggestion for you: Early Harvest
And if you’re keen on brewing around an existing archetype (like today) I’d suggest Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. Devotion is an underplayed mechanic in modern 🙂

Delay: The decks that “want” it generally prefer cards that advance their gameplans, or disruption that’s more reliable. Something like Spirits is going to have trouble putting the game away before the spell comes off suspend a lot of the time. Queller is a lot better in this role for many decks since it’s more versatile and also proactive.

Chart: This card is awesome!! We have been playing 1 in Counter-Cat since it was spoiled and I built a 4-Chart build earlier today, that I’m now refining. Sleight has its advantages over Chart too. Either way you’ll be hearing more about it soon…

I love her in my Counter-Cat deck! She has been an all-star from the sideboard since we added her.

Delay (seems like a decent tempo play in something like fish or U/W spirits)
Chart a Course looks like it might be decent in either fish or U/W spirits as well)

Yeah, punisher cards are more of a known trap at this point. Even if you’re bringing Devil back with Claim, opponents can still choose to kill it for 4 life. It’s often just better to reanimate (or regularly cast) a Shadow.

It certainly becomes more consistent, but Lantern doesn’t have much to do with an extra turn. Terminus isn’t great there either since it’s also off-color and clashes with Bridge.