Comments on: Insiders: Going Off-Meta https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:57:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: Matthew Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919887 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:56:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919887 In reply to Adrian Tan.

Keep up the good work, and thanks for responding.

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By: Peter Kowalczyk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919602 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 00:58:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919602 In reply to Adrian Tan.

Emrakul I like. I wouldn’t go super deep on it, but I think It will trend upward for a while due to redemption, fringe play in modern also doesn’t hurt. Id probably sell comfortably in the 4-5 range. Copter is interesting. Its the most powerful card not in standard. I think its a good pick up at its current price since its in the basement. Unfortunately no redemption support for copter, but I think from modern and casual appeal it could probably reach a dollar. Theres always the thought of what if they unban copter, then its a goldmine. Not saying they should but the reason for copters success was the lack of removal, and there is plenty of good removal right now.

I also like surgical. I think its got upside into the winter when people start testing for modern. Questions are, has it bottomed, are GY decks still a thing, and how many copies do you go in on?

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By: Adrian Tan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919556 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:32:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919556 In reply to Peter Kowalczyk.

Hi Peter.

Thanks for your comments. You are probably right about Deathgorge Scavenger, anyway it requires more decks to play it in their 75 for it to go up in price, so whenever you see graveyard decks rising, do re-check Deathgorge’s price. Other than these, what do you think about Emrakul and Copter?

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By: Adrian Tan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919554 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:19:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919554 In reply to Kyle Rusciano.

Hi Kyle.

Just learned about the redemption period ending. Appreciate that you guys adding so much analysis on top of what I’ve written.

They are not very likely to unban anything soon in my opinion as “Format healthiness” is one of the criteria in bannings. It would require alot of internal testing before unbanning cards.

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By: Adrian Tan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919547 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:15:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919547 In reply to Matthew Lewis.

Hi Matthew,

Sorry about not replying. I’ll try to spend time on replying comments from now on. Just want to let you guys know that I’m not ignoring, I do read them and apply them in my contents.

Agree with Splinter Twin ban. However in my opinion, Splinter Twin has more answers than Infect and Bogles, like enchantment removals or cards like Rending Volley to kill the Blue combo pieces.

Didn’t know about Jace going offline for redemption. Thanks for enlightening me.

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By: Peter Kowalczyk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919483 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:57:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919483 I like the spellskite pick. I haven’t had great success with the zendikar fetches. After treasure chests, multiple flashback drafts, and a reprinting there are way more copies in circulation than you think, and it really takes a lot of interest to move the needle on those cards. While they can generate profit, I think that there are smarter ways to deploy tix. Deathgorger still seems high to me, I’ll probably try to pick up at 1 or less, probably during the next release cycle.

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By: Kyle Rusciano https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919480 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:50:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919480 In reply to Kyle Rusciano.

Oh, and thanks Adrian for bringing awareness to Spellskite’s price. That seems like the sort of eternal card one can invest in in a Treasure Chest world – one whose fortunes depend upon bannings, unbannings, and the metagame, and one not having its value leeched by treasure chests.

I wish they’d unban Splinter Twin in Modern (which is what an investment in Spellskite is banking on in no small part), but I think it more likely that they’ll unban Bloodbraid Elf or Stoneforge Mystic. Splinter Twin feels like the 3rd most likely (because it never should have been banned in the first place).

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By: Kyle Rusciano https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919479 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 18:46:25 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919479 I suspect that some cards whose redemptions periods are ending will find their way onto the Treasure Chest list soon. I don’t know if Jace is already on there, but he might have trouble going up in value if the market gets a steady stream of Jaces beginning in January this year.

I think we’ll likely see cards like The Scarab God and Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy be placed on the Treasure Chest list beginning in January with Rivals of Ixalan. I think Treasure Chests, too, are preventing growth of the Khans and Zendikar fetchlands.

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By: Matthew Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/insiders-going-off-meta/#comment-1919360 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:31:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=83725#comment-1919360 Three comments,

One, you didn’t reply to any of the comments to your article last week, some of which posted cogent criticism.

Two, you don’t mention the banning of Splinter Twin as a key factor in the decline of Spellskite. It was a universal sideboard option for the best deck in the format, and when sideboard slots are at a premium, you take the flexible answers that work against multiple decks.

Three, Jace Vryn’s Prodigy is about to go offline for redemption. Now, I don’t think it’s necessarily going to drop below 20 tix, but I think it might. I think this is worth considering.

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