Comments on: Testing Preordain: Quantitative Results https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/testing-preordain-quantitative-results/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 05 Oct 2017 17:30:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/testing-preordain-quantitative-results/#comment-2128807 Thu, 05 Oct 2017 17:30:38 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=15538#comment-2128807 In reply to Hagen Kirk.

Since when has contrary evidence stopped players advocating pet cards? They still ask me for Bloodbraid Elf, despite my addressing them several times.

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By: Hagen Kirk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/testing-preordain-quantitative-results/#comment-2128806 Wed, 04 Oct 2017 16:01:39 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=15538#comment-2128806 I’m just hoping that Opt’s printing and articles like this finally puts an end to people begging for Ponder and Preordain to get unbanned. Sure, they would be nice. Not happening. Enjoy Opt.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/testing-preordain-quantitative-results/#comment-2128805 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 20:24:17 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=15538#comment-2128805 In reply to David Ernenwein.

I think the card keeping Preo on the banned list, if any, is actually Sleight of Hand, not Opt. Preo is a strictly better Sleight, and I can’t imagine decks would play both instead of a Serum and Preo combo. So Preo would straight replace Sleight and make that card obsolete, which does not lead to any kind of net diversity gain. Since Modern looks good right now and Sleight is a played card, I doubt Wizards touches Preordain.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/testing-preordain-quantitative-results/#comment-2128804 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 20:12:39 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=15538#comment-2128804 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

It’s possible that in different shells I would have had different results. When Preordain was axed it had always been played alongside Ponder so we never had a good sense of it’s actual powerlevel, though we know just how good Ponder is thanks to Legacy. If any banned card is guilty by association, it’s Preordain. I’d like to see if it’s actually worthy on its own, though like I said Opt makes it less likely.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/10/testing-preordain-quantitative-results/#comment-2128803 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:26:00 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=15538#comment-2128803 Thanks for taking the time to do this. I’m somewhat surprised by how similar Preordain performed compared to Sleight of Hand – it seems that the only thing to truly hold it back from being unbanned is fear of 12-cantrip Turbo Xerox decks, but that seems unlikely – Opt’s release has come and gone, and Storm pilots collectively shrugged. Preordain is definitely better than Opt in that shell (it digs one card deeper, and Storm can only go off on sorcery speed anyway), but it’s all feeling like the card should be a pretty safe unban.

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