Comments on: If I Controlled the Banned List https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/12/if-i-controlled-the-banned-list/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sat, 23 Dec 2017 05:33:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: aaron newbom https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/12/if-i-controlled-the-banned-list/#comment-2129033 Sat, 23 Dec 2017 05:33:38 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=16851#comment-2129033 In reply to William Sabato.

I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. Ba doom tiss. I’m punny

But really it’s not that they aren’t fair. Storm isn’t fair. Lots of decks aren’t fair.
It’s when other players don’t get to interact or operate their own decks.

Storm feels like you have lots of gameplay lines and interaction. there’s a ton of interplay.

Add nauseum? Not so much
Lantern? You don’t get to play.

The problematic element of tron is the land destruction turn 3 on the play and forever afterwards basically.

Big fat things are still fun to play against. Wurmcoil is fun.
Karn a land is not

]]> By: Ethan Dehoff https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/12/if-i-controlled-the-banned-list/#comment-2129032 Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:22:38 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=16851#comment-2129032 In reply to Ethan Dehoff.

Oh, I should also add that SFM is powerful enough that it’s already archetype-defining in legacy. Admittedly, that’s partly thanks to Jitte, but BBE isn’t nearly as impactful in Legacy by comparison.

]]> By: Ethan Dehoff https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/12/if-i-controlled-the-banned-list/#comment-2129031 Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:19:36 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=16851#comment-2129031 I think BBE would be a better unban than SFM. Yeah, sure, it’s obviously a really good Jund card, but Jund is virtually dead at this point anyway. It definitely has nowhere near the raw power of a card like SFM, which would really hurt the last vestiges of fair aggro in the format like Humans, Merfolk, and Burn.

]]> By: Graeme Holliday https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/12/if-i-controlled-the-banned-list/#comment-2129030 Wed, 20 Dec 2017 18:04:40 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=16851#comment-2129030 I know this is just wishful thinking, so I won’t say more than that I disagree with any ban proposals in the current metagame. I could definitely get behind unbans, like SFM, Twin, and BBE.

]]> By: Cory Roth https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/12/if-i-controlled-the-banned-list/#comment-2129029 Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:01:04 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=16851#comment-2129029 I know this article was more of an opinion piece, but I really don’t think any of those cards are ban worthy. That being said, I agree that they are all problematic by your reasoning, and I absolutely abhor the fact that green has the best card selection spell in modern (deck building requirements aside). On the other hand, the cards on this list were not at all what I expected to see, so that was refreshing in a way.

Maybe, for the next time you “treat yourself” when wiring an article, as another thought experiment, it would be fun to invent 3 to 5 police/answer cards that solve problems in modern. I would be interested to see what you come up with since you seem have a well reasoned, grounded approach to the game.

]]> By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/12/if-i-controlled-the-banned-list/#comment-2129028 Tue, 19 Dec 2017 22:53:11 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=16851#comment-2129028 In reply to William Sabato.

Like I said at the top, it is more me venting. Next month is going to be very heavy and academic. Have an extra piece of pie for the holidays.

As for the deck arguments, what I mean is that I want Modern games to be actual games. I’m fine with Lantern, Tron, Dredge, and other non-traditional decks existing, I just don’t like them locking people out of the game too early. Players should be given the chance to fight back. Even if their deck cannot, that should be a deckbuilding choice and not just because something insane happened early. Losing to a turn 1-2 Blood Moon is unacceptable. It’s fine in Legacy because Force of Will exits, but Modern needs to be slower because it doesn’t. Losing to turn three or later Moon is a choice in my book, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I’d also dispute how fair Standard has actually been over the past year, but that’s completely irrelevant.

]]> By: William Sabato https://www.quietspeculation.com/2017/12/if-i-controlled-the-banned-list/#comment-2129027 Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:11:48 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=16851#comment-2129027 I feel like your inherent assumption is that modern should be a fair format. You mentioned many, many times that these decks are ‘unfair’ or ‘not real magic’ but that is what separates modern from standard. I don’t think the rational for banning a deck should ever be “this isn’t what magic is intended to be like,” barring excessively painful decks (like how eggs was banned because it took too long to win and screwed with tournaments.)

This feels honestly more like a structured rant and you venting anger against “unfair” decks.
Modern shouldn’t be the “fair” format; that’s what standard is. Its a format which features decks of all sorts, including ones which don’t win with combat damage etc.

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