Comments on: Army of the Night: Brewing Vampire Tribal https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:21:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129094 Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:21:16 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129094 In reply to Gus Leth Morel.

I don’t think Captivating Vampire does much for the deck if you already have Stromkirk Captain – 3-drop Lords aren’t exactly efficient. I also think that the deck may want to maindeck some discard, since you’ve effectively eliminated your sweeper safety valve in Mutavault. I’m also kind of skeptical of having Bloodghast and Rest in Peace in the same 75.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129093 Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:18:51 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129093 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

Interesting take. I guess the key question to ask about such a strategy is how it stacks up relative to other controlling Bx midrange decks. My thoughts were originally to start with fish tempo because that’s what I know works for these synergistic, but not blazing-fast tribal strategies, but maybe I need to give a midrange build a bit more thought.

My test games indicated that having 4 Mutavault was not much of an issue (Urborg works wonders in this regard), though part of that was predicated on having Vial for emergency fixing. I’d likely tick them down if I were relying on hardcasting every spell.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129092 Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:33:21 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129092 The one drops you’re looking for are iok and thoughtseize: not aether vial. Liliana of the veil also works well here as does gatekeeper of malakir.

The decks payoffs are highborn and nocturnus – you want highborn because with seer/ghast/fetch you can drain steadily – burning people out with highborn drain or a nocturnus alpha strike are the only upsides to monoblack vamps.

So you have a monoblack control deck that can put presure on and alpha strike from nowhere. Its not great but thats the niche vampires has.

Also 4 muta is too much imo. I lost a lot of games due to colourless mana. I like 2 muta 2 urborg. Urborg is nice w fetches and nocturnus/bloodghast.

4 vials also turns off your nocturnus if they show up on top. Better to be all black cards in the deck – play leyline over spellbomb for this reason.

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By: Gus Leth Morel https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129091 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:59:31 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129091 I’ve started to test a similar approach but with Red and White splash for Captain / Lieutnant / Terminate MD + RIP / Stony in SB.

Here what I’m testing :

3 Swamp
3 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Concealed Courtyard
1 Godless Shrine
2 Marsh Flats
2 Mutavault
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Viscera Seer
4 Asylum Visitor
4 Dusk Legion Zealot
4 Bloodghast
2 Gifted Aetherborn
4 Legion Lieutenant
2 Captivating Vampire
4 Stromkirk Captain
3 Vampire Nocturnus
4 Aether Vial
3 Fatal Push
3 Terminate

Sideboard cards
1 Gatekeeper of Malakir
2 Gifted Aetherborn
2 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
1 Wear / Tear
4 Thoughtseize
2 Collective Brutality
1 Crumble to Dust

I’m not completetly sure about the SB but right now, the deck is pretty pleasant to play with.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129090 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:26:51 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129090 In reply to ben coley.

Gatekeeper is certainly a consideration. I didn’t include it in the original 75 because kicker doesn’t play nice with Vial, but it’s a nice answer to big fatties like what Tron and Titanshift can bring to bear. Good call. 🙂

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129089 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:58:00 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129089 In reply to Michael Frederich.

I don’t think running Path over Push is worth making your manabase worse, but Skymarcher Aspirant seems like it’s at least worth a look. There is certainly enough volume of Vampire 1-drops to play that low-to-the-ground aggro playstyle, but does it really perform at a higher level than any of its fast aggro comps (think Affinity, Elves, Goblins, etc.)? I’m skeptical, but I’d love to talk about it.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129088 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:55:33 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129088 In reply to Jeremy Staudt.

Probably an Aristocrats-type build. But I’d argue the best possible version of that deck isn’t really Vampire Tribal, since you’d want Zulaport Cutthroat and other value creatures to fuel it.

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By: ben coley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129087 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:44:31 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129087 What about gatekeeper of malakir?

Seems great!

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By: Michael Frederich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129086 Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:47:18 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129086 I’ve been testing a BW Vampire list with fairly promising results. Splashing white gives the deck access to Legion Lieutenant, Path to Exile, excellent sideboard options, and arguably one of the best 1cmc vamps, Skymarcher Aspirant. I’ve been playing with the 1 drop slots, while cutting Vial altogether. Skymarcher Aspirant has been unexpectedly great, as getting Ascend is pretty easy with a low curve. The other cards I’m testing in the 1cmc slots are Legion’s Landing(helps get ascend faster and allows me to shave a land or two), Vicious Conquistador(not terrible), and Vampire Lacerator(pretty decent, but a huge liability against burn). Having maindeck path helps against Wurmcoils/big doods, and the sideboard cards white brings to the table are worth the hit to the mana base. While you lose the big Nocturnus payoff, you get a mana efficient lord and silver bullet sideboard cards for some of our hardest match-ups. From my initial testing, it seems like taking advantage of the low curve has a faster clock than trying to get fancy with Vial and a bunch of 2/3/4 drops. Just my thoughts. Great article and I appreciate the brewing!

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By: Jeremy Staudt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/01/army-of-the-night-brewing-vampire-tribal/#comment-2129085 Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:52:45 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17107#comment-2129085 There must be some version of tribal vampires where Blood Artist is good, right?

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