Comments on: Damping Sphere and the Silver Bullet Problem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/damping-sphere-and-the-silver-bullet-problem/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 04 May 2018 17:51:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: Drew Brost https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/damping-sphere-and-the-silver-bullet-problem/#comment-2129402 Fri, 04 May 2018 17:51:30 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17897#comment-2129402 I feel like this article is basically saying “you can’t just play this and no other disruption or pressure and expect to win,” but in modern, I think if you’re not playing more disruption or pressure there’s no way you’re winning anyways. It’s not a format where you can twiddle your thumbs for very long…

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/damping-sphere-and-the-silver-bullet-problem/#comment-2129401 Thu, 03 May 2018 21:30:03 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17897#comment-2129401 In reply to Dan W..

That is a consideration. The Fear is real and I could see players abandoning affected decks despite everything I said. Which would lead to Sphere seeing less play, thus the decks come back and the cycle repeats.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/damping-sphere-and-the-silver-bullet-problem/#comment-2129400 Thu, 03 May 2018 21:29:06 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17897#comment-2129400 In reply to Graeme Holliday.

I know they used to do that, but I never understood why. The deck draws so many cards that I can’t imagine you actually need the tutoring. I’m actually surprised that Ballista isn’t included now considering how often it’s a kill on its own.

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By: Dan W. https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/damping-sphere-and-the-silver-bullet-problem/#comment-2129399 Tue, 01 May 2018 20:51:31 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17897#comment-2129399 I agree with your assessment David. The sphere is not the lock people are hyping it to be. However, i still believe that it will have a transformative effect on modern in a more subtle way. I think the ubiquity of the card is what will ultimately produce the most noticeable effect on the format. You touched on this in your write up, but there’s something else to consider there beyond freed up board slots. The hate is so ubiquitous that I just see it sucking the joy out of playing storm and tron at the LGS level. I just can’t imagine being a storm player right now.—can you imagine what a miserable experience that could potentially be? Every round you know that your opponent will be boarding in a powerful hate card specifically designed to hose your deck…Why would you continue to sleeve up storm locally and subject yourself to such a grind?

I just see a whole lot of storm players saying, “Eh, now seems like a good time to try out that esper mill deck I’ve been working on. Or the old Merfolk deck I put away when 8 months ago.” Again, I’m speaking about play at the LGS level, but in a large pool a small stone can cause potentially large ripples. And a lot of spheres are gonna be tossed in the pool.

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By: Graeme Holliday https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/damping-sphere-and-the-silver-bullet-problem/#comment-2129398 Tue, 01 May 2018 20:44:24 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17897#comment-2129398 In reply to David Ernenwein.

Complacency + silver bullets is an easy way to lose for sure. As far as Eggs playing Emrakul goes, I’m not an eggs player so I don’t know how big of a commitment it is, but I think it’s mostly only played online because it kills faster. My impression was that playing Emrakul requires some significant deckbuilding concessions, including adding Sanctum of Ugin to the manabase and a decent number of Walking Ballista/Hangarback Walker to the main to find it, which would obviously be a big hit on your redundancy and therefore consistency.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/damping-sphere-and-the-silver-bullet-problem/#comment-2129397 Tue, 01 May 2018 20:04:50 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17897#comment-2129397 In reply to Graeme Holliday.

I’m not saying it’s easy, but it is definitely possible. While I was testing Sphere against those combos their pilots were able to navigate through the Sphere to victory a number of times without removing Sphere, so it is possible. Once the Ironworks player knew what was up he actually boarded in Emrakul, and if Sphere becomes a problem that kind of shift is very easy for Ironworks and may be a better option in general. As I understand it, the only reason they stopped going for the big creature kill was that graveyard hate was down and so the loop was faster.

I agree that Sphere is a hoser in the artilce, but my argument is that it’s far weaker than you think. It’s the kind of card that looks like a hard lock but isn’t, and this leads players into complacency. I’ve seen too many players mulligan for hate and die because they only see the hate and not the strategy behind it as you state. Because of how easy Sphere is to cast and how many decks it has game against, it will be overused and misunderstood because the barrier it raises isn’t as high as players think.

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By: Graeme Holliday https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/damping-sphere-and-the-silver-bullet-problem/#comment-2129396 Tue, 01 May 2018 17:30:08 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17897#comment-2129396 While I agree with most of your points, I honestly don’t think Eggs or Storm is winning THROUGH Sphere at any significant rate. Keep in mind that the win condition of Eggs is Pyrite Spellbomb looping. There’s no way that’s happening 10 times under Sphere. As for Storm, they can go for a couple spells and Empty, but I doubt that chaining together small Grapeshots will get there.

Of course, those decks will be able to win if given enough time. You can’t just slam Sphere and expect to win; you have to have some sort of a clock along with it. This is true of all silver bullet cards though. Eventually Affinity will kill you through Stony Silence, or Dredge will cast 3/3s for 3 under RIP. Amulet will find a second Forest and cast a Titan, or make a huge Ballista. However, while Moon/Sphere/RIP/Stony is on the battlefield, their main avenue to victory is blowing it up, not trying to ignore it. The number of times these decks will actually win with a hoser on the battlefield is very low.

Tron is a little different. Since they can ignore Sphere better than Storm or Eggs can, it’s even more important to have a clock. If Sphere remains unanswered, you can expect it to buy you 3-4 extra turns against them, which should easily be enough to finish them off if you have a ‘goyf on the battlefield. Having a clock has always been the number 1 priority against Tron though; trying to outgrind them never works, which is why you see even control decks flash in Snapcasters early or side in Geist in an attempt to kill them before they inevitably win.

But yes, Damping Sphere is a true hoser. While it is easier to answer than many other hosers, I argue that its effect is just as strong.

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