Comments on: Why Not Control? – Attacking the Humans Meta https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/why-not-control/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 16 May 2018 21:42:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/why-not-control/#comment-2129429 Wed, 16 May 2018 21:42:52 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17985#comment-2129429 In reply to Zach Stackhouse.

That’s the thing. Humans is a good deck but it doesn’t stand out. Most of the time the top deck is something exemplary or has certain particularly good matchups that are relatively common. That’s not the case for Humans and I find that very weird.

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By: Zach Stackhouse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/why-not-control/#comment-2129428 Wed, 16 May 2018 16:31:00 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17985#comment-2129428 In reply to Graeme Holliday.

It is a possibility that people are picking up humans more for the hype of it being the best than anything else. It was well-represented at the pro tour, which gave it a ton of publicity, and had had similar numbers at recent grand prix.

I think part of it, though, is that while it isn’t the best at anything, it has no giant flaws in the current meta. It isn’t vulnerable to hate like affinity. It isn’t the most disruptive, the fastest, or the most resilient, but it is basically a B+ deck across the board in these categories. AND it doesn’t have an awful ramp matchup like jund or mardu midrange because of its clock and better-aligned disruption (we’ve all seen Tron lose because a land had to enter tapped by now, or Ugin became a nine-cost card).

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By: Tommy Hoff Hansen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/why-not-control/#comment-2129427 Wed, 16 May 2018 04:35:25 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17985#comment-2129427 1: Humans are born with an intricate instinct to focus on things that interrest them.
This is the major reason why we have archetypes. A lot of people have an interrest in winning, and archetypes “seems” to win more than whats played at the kitchentable.
Sometimes our focus becomes the driver of what wins, because if more people play with a deck, the odds for that deck going to the top simply increases with the number of players.

2: Deck mutability is also a factor that has to be counted into the equation.
Affinity is an artisfact deck, it needs artisfacts and it’s succes is limited to what artisfacts are playable at the moment. A mono White deck is largely consisting of white cards.
Humans as a deck is able to use the full colorpalette, but is bound by playing with the creaturetype “human”. Humans as a deck seems to have a large enough cardpool to be able to adapt towards what is played in the meta. Other 2-3 colored decks seems to be very adaptive as well, but few decks run 5 colors. This might be why humans can hang on.

3: What decks are holding back the decks that clearly beat humans?
For humans to be dethroned, the decks able to beat the deck must be able to meet it.
Humans it at the moment played by 10% of the meta, so your odds of running into it will be 1 out of 10 players, which means you will be much more likely to meet something else.
The current meta is wild, with more than 50 active archetypes, and that means your deck is unikely to meet what you most want to. Since most players design their decks to beat the topdecks the bottomfeeders of the meta are really what stops these plans. So the answer will be very unclear as long as we have a wide meta with no decks being played at more than 10% of the field. During times where the best decks in the meta was running 13-14%the field was a lot more narrow and much clearer.

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By: Graeme Holliday https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/why-not-control/#comment-2129426 Tue, 15 May 2018 19:20:40 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17985#comment-2129426 A friend and I have been pondering this lately as well. We both agree that Humans is a good deck, but it just doesn’t feel like the best deck by any means. Humans struggles against the heavy removal decks like midrange and control. Humans often has the problem of drawing the uninteractive half of their deck against a combo deck. Humans doesn’t have a very fast clock compared to other aggro decks and they’re weak to a well placed removal spell and sweepers. I’m not saying Humans is bad… but… Why is it on top?

I did think of one possible reason, though. Many of the Humans pilots I’ve been facing online have seemed pretty inexperienced and new to the format. Perhaps Humans for some reason is a popular choice among players new to the format? Because my win rate against Humans has always seemed to be quite high no matter what deck I’m playing.

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By: Jordan Corgatelli https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/05/why-not-control/#comment-2129425 Tue, 15 May 2018 18:01:34 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=17985#comment-2129425 I personally am loving this metagame because I have excellent matchups with creature based decks and poor matchups with counterspell decks, I have been using an artifacts & enchantments prison deck and I have found that runed halo is one of the best pieces of removal there is because it’s like a declaration in stone stapled to a surgical extraction that can hit hexproof targets. the only drawbacks are that it performs poorly against tokens and creatures that generate value.

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