Comments on: Harder, Faster: Welcoming Aggro’s New Arbiters https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 12 Aug 2018 23:39:56 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/#comment-2129622 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 23:39:56 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18503#comment-2129622 In reply to Alec Wilson.

a bomb

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/#comment-2129621 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 23:39:26 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18503#comment-2129621 In reply to Mikefon.

yep that’s the plan, slow them down on the cheap then kill them

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By: Mikefon https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/#comment-2129620 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:52:00 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18503#comment-2129620 In reply to Alec Wilson.

I wouldn’t say chalice on 0 stops Bridgevine. It just slows them down negating bridge tokens, since vengevine has a cast trigger. That said may be the correct move anyway.

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By: Alec Wilson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/#comment-2129619 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:59:44 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18503#comment-2129619 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Thanks for the reply!
You cut a gutshot or a Bomb for the surgical?

I Took the deck to top 4 of a PPTQ today (11-3 record in games!), only to get issued a loss as my chalice was found on the floor under my last match table, and I didn’t count my deck. Was heavily favoured to make the finals 🙁 beats etc. (Not sure if I would have preferred the win or the 120 dollar card).

I beat hollow one three times, so yeah it felt close not unfavourable.

I think as long as burn is big, this deck has what it takes to be a solid choice for a random field,

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/#comment-2129618 Sun, 12 Aug 2018 00:48:59 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18503#comment-2129618 In reply to Alec Wilson.

I would, with double Surgical side. I think the H1 MU is close, not bad. UW is still favored in my experience.

Chalice 0 right away because it’s free so we can spend our mana on other stuff. The next Chalice goes to 1. Same as Affinity.

Hollow is more robust, but both decks are here to stay.

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By: Alec Wilson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/#comment-2129617 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 15:22:51 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18503#comment-2129617 Good piece.
Questions:
1) would you sleeve up CED stompy for a PPTQ this month? It has a bad MU vs hollow one and a presumably excellent one vs Dredgevine, but it seems much worse against mono sweeper blue white than the old Jeskai that lost to a single Scourge.
2) on the draw vs dredgevine, do you put chalice on 0, chalice on 1, or cut chalice?
1 kills their engine but not if it’s already online, 0 stops all their most explosive plays.
3) which of the two, hollow or vine, has more stating power as a top deck ?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/#comment-2129616 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:44:05 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18503#comment-2129616 In reply to Frederik Altmann.

I’m not sure that’s true. It’s common for Modern players to throw their hands into the air every Pro Tour (or new deck) and call for bannings, but we’ve seen that those calls are rarely justified based on Wizards’ criteria. Powerful though they may be, there are plenty of ways to attack these new aggro decks.

No matter what you play, you can throw some Surgicals into your sideboard and see where that gets you. Bridgevine is also inconsistent enough that hitting them with targeted discard T1 and chasing that with a clock can end the game fast. The same can be done to Hollow One, but that deck attacks from more angles, so it’s harder to shut down with single-use interaction. That said, it’s slower at actually killing you, which gives other decks time to beat them first.

Looting isn’t “broken,” it’s just a great card in a format that doesn’t care so much about card advantage. I’ve championed the card in non-graveyard decks for years. There are lots of sleepers like this in Modern (Death’s Shadow is another example) and for me, part of the format’s appeal is finding these gems first and putting them to good use!

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By: Frederik Altmann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2018/08/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/#comment-2129615 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 06:14:31 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=18503#comment-2129615 looting has to go and wizards has to print 1 mana creatures with gy replacement effects just like dryad to enforce interactivity. we have gotten to a point where fair decks cannot handle this hyper aggro even with 4-6 dedicated hate slots in the sb. moreover, everyone is splashing looting for its brokeness nowadays from GDS through mardu to Griselbrand, meanwhile stoneforge (at least a roadblock) remains banned

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