Comments on: Karn, the Great Creator in Colorless Eldrazi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:22:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: Nicholas Cameron https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130017 Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:22:48 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130017 So 20 games in with this list and it seems…clunky? Dropping Karn is fine but seems counter intuitive to our game plan. What has your experience been like Jordan?

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By: Francis John Guillem Gene-Rowe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130016 Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:58:48 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130016 So, how about that EE/Ratchet land? I’m wary of overvaluing but it feels like a slam dunk 2-3 of.

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By: David Savarin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130015 Sat, 13 Apr 2019 15:10:23 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130015 I like the new saheeli a lot in a cantrip / pteramander or crackling drake deck

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130014 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 02:12:20 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130014 In reply to Francis John Guillem Gene-Rowe.

Just try EO and see what you think! He’s amazing against anyone racing you on axes that don’t care about Reshaper (with fliers, with a combo, etc.), and a much better mid- to late-game draw than Reshaper (not to mention topdeck) in most matchups. If you’re on multiple Endbringers and 2 Karn, I might consider a Bridge in the side šŸ˜‰

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By: Alec Wilson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130013 Mon, 08 Apr 2019 14:52:28 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130013 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Ad Nauseum and Valakut decks are two l applications – both decks that have the same speed as Eldrazi.
If there’s was a flex spot it seems like a handy thing to bring out – and as a 4/4 pseudohaste that can’t get hit by sweepers or bolt, it may have a meta.

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By: Francis John Guillem Gene-Rowe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130012 Mon, 08 Apr 2019 13:54:19 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130012 Great article as always. At first I thought this might be too cute (and certainly I wouldn’t pepper my sideboard with quite the same range of wish targets), but I think you’re right that Karn’s a big addition to the deck. The key is that we don’t have to cut all that much to make him fit. I play Leyline as my sideboard gy hate with Endbringers over Relics for the grindfests, but with Karn I can see going back up to 2-3 sideboard Relics. I’m inclined to try 4 Leyline, 3 Contortion, 2 Ratchet (so you can board one into the main in the matchups where you need it as a sweeper), 1 Spyglass, 3 Relic, 1 Crucible and 1 Lattice. And then see how that goes. I love Endbringer and have found Warping Wail useful in this meta but the Karn plan seems to trump them.

What I wanted to ask though: what’s playing with Endless One like? I’ve always been on the 4 Reshaper plan so I don’t really have a sense of how powerful Endless One is (assuming the list has enough backup grind). When is it good outside of non-creature spell combo decks that you want to Mimic out of the game?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130011 Fri, 05 Apr 2019 19:05:57 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130011 In reply to Alec Wilson.

Karn already prevents Jar from activating, so searching Bomb should be enough there. Don’t think we want Dismember vs. Whir Prison for that niche interaction; we only run 2 Karn anyway. Plan would be to lock them out with Mycosynth and then let their hand fill up and attack through Bridge. Think we already beat the velocity decks and don’t know against whom we’d want Witchbane, what were you thinking?

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By: Alec Wilson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130010 Fri, 05 Apr 2019 16:48:32 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130010 Also – if Karn makes the cut, does that mean we just leave dismember in against prison decks, as Karn is then a Ensnaring Bridge removal even through welding jar?

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By: Alec Wilson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/04/karn-great-creator-colorless-eldrazi/#comment-2130009 Fri, 05 Apr 2019 16:41:52 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=19851#comment-2130009 Ok I got some spicy stuff for you (in order of coolness):

1) witchbane orb. Leyline was always a ā€œnice to haveā€ effect that nowhere near made the cut for CES. But being able to nab one to disrupt a combo player in game 1 that you slowed with a TK, or neutralise a PW effect, or close the door against a player with reach seems interesting in some metas.

2) Trinisphere. Want to just stop any velocity decks and make drawing a bunch of cards (which we can’t do) pretty meaningless? This might do the trick.

3) My favourite – Hex Parasite. The way you die to control is a PW that gets out of control. This can shut it down fast, even without attaching. It also has niche applications, like messing with an arcbound ravager’s stack or wrecking an engineered explosives. Bonus points that if they have path to exile, Karn just puts it back in your hand!

Honorable mention – don’t you love how
Karn auto-recurs your relics ?

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