Comments on: Modern Horizons Spoiler Review, Pt. 1 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 28 May 2019 21:19:15 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130088 Tue, 28 May 2019 21:19:15 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130088 In reply to Matt Michi.

Interesting take, but I think this card is a bit niche. Not all decks play creatures. Will end up in sideboards (a likely fate for Force of Negation as well, but for tempo decks).

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By: Matt Michi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130087 Tue, 28 May 2019 16:05:50 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130087 Thoughts on the black force? I am really high on this card; like force of vigor, there’s the possibility of getting a zero mana two-for-two (or better), and the card can kill bogles, emrakul’s, and potentially a field full of Phoenix.

It can’t really replace removal spell slots since it cannot deal with threats sitting on the board, but this card seems reasonable to maindeck. Modern is so creature focused that this feels more like the Modern equivalent of Force of Will than the new blue one.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130086 Mon, 27 May 2019 15:58:39 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130086 In reply to MattPemulis.

Pumping this to 4/4 is not going to happen very often, and to 6/6 almost never. The way the deck is currently designed incentivizes us to hold up mana for plays like Mana Leak or Shoal, even in the mid-game, so it would only “flip” in a top-deck situation; even in those, we don’t always have four lands to tap. So I think he will usually take multiple turns to level up, and will resultantly die very often. Our other mana-intensive plays (Snapcaster, or sideboard cards) lock-in value upon resolution or otherwise resist removal.

Which brings us to how bad do we want a 2/1 for one mana? I think very little, which is why we’ve never played Swiftspear or even Goblin Guide. 2 is too small a clock. Nacatl and Mongoose seem like better options for additional threats, especially the latter because of access to Path to Exile. Helps too that we can hit Nacatl with Muta to grow it over enemy creatures, whereas Mongoose is helpless on a lot of boards.

tl;dr: I’m skeptical, but haven’t tested it (and probably won’t).

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By: Steven Givens https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130085 Mon, 27 May 2019 00:00:29 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130085 Also of note with Prismatic Vista is that it is the only (playable) fetchland in Modern that can get colorless Mana. One of the problems I’ve noticed (as a person who loves casting Blood Moon) with decks like W/B Eldrazi is that they can’t really afford to play more than one copy of Wastes, which means they are very susceptible to being locked out of colorless spells by a Blood Moon effect. Being able to run up to 4 more copies of Wastes without actually *having* to play more definitely seems like a boon to those 2-3 color Eldrazi decks.

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By: MattPemulis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130084 Sun, 26 May 2019 17:52:31 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130084 Thoughts on Hexdrinker in a RUG Delver shell? Seems kind of like the version of Gnarlwod Dryad / Pteremander / Bomat Courier we’ve been waiting for.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130083 Sat, 25 May 2019 21:24:24 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130083 In reply to mudanhonnyaku.

I don’t think the card I just suggested does powercreep GQ, though. They’d serve different purposes.

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By: mudanhonnyaku https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130082 Sat, 25 May 2019 18:02:28 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130082 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

And I would be very surprised if we did. Any kind of Wasteland lite would obsolete Ghost Quarter and Field of Ruin, and it’s pretty clear at this point that obsoleting/”upgrading” current Modern staples with strictly better versions is not what this set is about–they’ve confirmed that Counterspell is not in the set, for example. That was what some people were dreading when the set was announced months ago: that Wizards planned to turn Modern into Yu-Gi-Oh with de facto rotation via power creep.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130081 Sat, 25 May 2019 13:34:48 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130081 In reply to Steven Givens.

This is something I hadn’t considered at the time of publication, but since then, I’ve run into a few Phoenix lists online featuring Aria. I’m impressed! It only takes 4 spells for them to turn the lifegain around, and after that, the enchantment kills very quickly. It’s difficult to interact with and doesn’t care about grave hate, letting Phoenix attack from a new angle. The only problem with Aria is its steep cost, which makes me think it’s perhaps more of a sideboard card. I like the idea of resolving it to “pop” enemy Death’s Shadows, though!

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By: Steven Givens https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130080 Sat, 25 May 2019 02:46:16 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130080 So where I think Aria of Flame might be interesting is in the Pyromancer Ascension spots in Phoenix, as it works to generate extra value for every spell you cast, but also could care less about your graveyard being intact. The other place is hopping on the jank train by running (while maybe not great, not totally unreasonable) cards like new Tibalt and Rampaging Ferocidons to incidentally mitigate the downsides of the enchantment.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130079 Sat, 25 May 2019 02:12:53 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130079 In reply to mudanhonnyaku.

What I mean is a land with a higher power level designed expressly for Modern, and likely one that makes an explicit callback to Wasteland. A Wasteland that only works on lands with no basic land types, for example, would do wonders for tempo decks against the likes of Tron. But that’s just conjecture; either way, I would be surprised if we didn’t get a colorless land in Horizons that interacts with enemy nonbasics in some way.

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By: mudanhonnyaku https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130078 Sat, 25 May 2019 01:53:52 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130078 We already have an “updated, nerfed Wasteland” in Field of Ruin. A reprint of Pillage has been spoiled, so I think they like land destruction without a “replace with a basic” clause being something that requires a commitment to red, rather than being available to any deck. That’s one of the largest differences between Modern and Legacy, after all.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130077 Sat, 25 May 2019 01:14:48 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130077 In reply to Carlos Fidel Dallmeier.

And 4 Day’s Undoing? And 4 Narset, Parter of Veils? …Hey, not a bad idea!

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By: Carlos Fidel Dallmeier https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130076 Fri, 24 May 2019 23:58:36 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130076 Hey what about putting 4 Force of Negation and 4 Disrupting Shoal in the same deck? It feels like they both support each other. They both also get help from Mission Briefing.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130075 Fri, 24 May 2019 19:27:39 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130075 In reply to Thomas Luffman.

Wow, this is the first time I’ve seen this mentioned! Very good to know.

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By: Thomas Luffman https://www.quietspeculation.com/2019/05/modern-horizons-spoiler-review-pt-1/#comment-2130074 Fri, 24 May 2019 16:34:00 +0000 http://quietspeculation.com/?p=20105#comment-2130074 Unfortunately vigor does not break you out of the lock. All cards will be colorless as well.

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