Comments on: Investigating Confounding Conundrum

By: Steven Givens

Steven Givens — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 05:11:35 +0000

In reply to Dan W.. I mean, if you stick a conundrum and can answer any amulets they might play, they are pretty much done. Because all the extra land drops that deck can accrue don't mean much of anything, because they really can't net Mana very easily.

By: Dan W.

Dan W. — Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:54:44 +0000

I’m pretty desperate to beat Amulet Titan in whatever way I can. I’ve more or less tried everything I can think of. If this gives me a chance I’m all in.

By: Steven Givens

Steven Givens — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 23:54:21 +0000

Yea I think the Archon pretty much pushes out Eidolon of Rhetoric, if anyone was still running that in the SB. I mean it dies to bolt, but it’s also a better (and evasive) clock, which I feel is what you want in a matchup where you want a Rule of Law effect.

By: David Ernenwein

David Ernenwein — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 21:41:29 +0000

In reply to Steven Givens.

I actually did try the Archon. It’s pretty good on its own. Against any slow deck combining it with Conundrum is devastating. However, most of the time it’s way too narrow to be relevant. And a bit win more, frankly.

As I said, it only happened once, but as they say once bitten twice shy. I’m also certain that the really dedicated Amulet players will have guides to dealing with Conundrum/using to their advantage out very soon.

And yeah, seriously, don’t play it against Modern Uro. Graveyard hate is much better.

By: Steven Givens

Steven Givens — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 21:23:36 +0000

Idk, it still seems reasonable against Amulet Titan even with the situation you described. I mean, they had 5 lands in play, two scouts, an azusa, an amulet, and a bounce land and Titan in hand. That’s a tremendous amount of material to have in play to end up barely comboing off. I would argue that the card definitely still put in a tremendous amount of work there, especially as it only costs 2 mana and cantrips. Also of note, is that all that material they had on board is *still* only really relevant if they have an Amulet out. Now, the Uro decks using it to recycle Sanctuaries is definitely a side effect I had not thought of when I originally saw the card.

There’s a part of me that wants to try the Conundrum alongside the new 3-drop Archon who has a Rule of Law plus Thalia, Heretic Cathars non-basic land tapping ability stapled to it to just wreck anyone using fetchlands, but that might be too cute.