Comments on: Horde Magic: An Open Source Project

By: Boyachi

Boyachi — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:20:41 +0000

In reply to Rimor. If the game is too short, make the horde deck bigger. Use more than just Zombies. Think of what Emrakul must of done to Innistrad. She was controlling all types of creatures! Now that was some horde!

By: Boyachi

Boyachi — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:18:38 +0000

In reply to RamonMTG. My group doesn't use waves, but I've heard only positive things from groups that do. If you want to suggest it to your group, let them know that it has been widely received by those who have tried it.

By: Boyachi

Boyachi — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:17:15 +0000

In reply to Action Jack. Horde trample in large numbers ends the game super quickly, especially when zombie giants are considered puny to the horde's real powerhouses. In my testing, trample is feasible without haste. Trample with haste in large numbers becomes comparable to first strike with deathtouch: acceptable on one but overpowering when applied to all.

By: Boyachi

Boyachi — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:08:27 +0000

In reply to Mr. Z. My play group makes poison counters emblems that cause the loss of 1 life during the upkeep. Then again, my horde is over 500 cards, so 20 poison counters doesn't do quite as much to mine as it would a 100 card horde.

By: Boyachi

Boyachi — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:56:59 +0000

In reply to @MTG_Pete. Some static effects need to work. Sure milling is a problem, but it is mostly limited to Black and Blue decks. Static effects are abundant in many deck types. To put it simply: there is a difference between mitigation and annihilation. Mitigation allows games to continue to be playable. Annihilation locks in a winner. The games that are the most fun are the games where the win feels earned due to the power struggle.

By: Boyachi

Boyachi — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:47:24 +0000

In reply to Melriken. If you wish to run these cards against the horde, give the horde Bane of Progress and Kederekt Leviathan. Novablast Wurm, Hythonia the Cruel or Bearer of the Heavens would also work. Most of these guys are worth next to nothing moneywise.

By: Boyachi

Boyachi — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:41:47 +0000

I found a way around Trepanation Blade, which shaped the way my group plays Horde Magic. We made nontokenbacking cards “stopper” cards. If there is an effect that would be endless on the Horde like Trepanation Blade, Grindstone, or the endless activation of Bloodchief Ascension, the effect stops there.
We took the stopper cards a bit further and made the rule that if a stopper card would be sent to the graveyard by the loss of life by the horde, it would instead be placed in the horde’s hand and the next card would take its place(yes, this would mean all stopper cards would go to the hand instead of graveyard in terms of life loss. Milling would include stopper cards traditionally, unless in an endless scenario, at which point the stack would lower down to and include the first stopper card in the trip to the graveyard).
The horde’s hand would always be played instead of the traditional method of the horde starting its turn, assuming the hand is not empty. This means that if the survivors lay the smackdown on the horde, the horde will have the resources to rise to the occasion.
Now of course, this method means that cards such as Living Death and Mnemonic Nexus could never fit in my horde, but this does grant more challenges and also allows decks that utilize discarding to actually be useful.
It is good to see a banlist. I have one card to add for both horde and survivors: Consuming Aberration. Even with the stopper rules, this creature still wrecks the horde singlehandedly. Put it into the horde and well, there are NO survivors. In that note I tried Pontiff of Blight and Cathar’s Crusade in the horde and removed them the first turn they did anything, because the result was that broken.
Other banlist/rulings to look into are instant game loss/winning and life total doctoring. My group plays these as having no effect on the horde. Infect/Poison counters work differently for our group’s horde too: a poison counter is viewed as an emblem that reads “at the beginning of your upkeep, lose a life.” This still keeps infect decks powerful, but not capable of defeating the horde solo on the infect deck’s fourth turn. This also allows the horde deck to utilize infect creatures (which should still be used sparingly if at all) without the worry of them prematurely wiping out all the survivors.

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By: Matt Rob

Matt Rob — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:22:58 +0000

This format is super fun. Thanks for making it and keeping it going.

I have two questions:

1) When the horde tokens die, are they in the graveyard, or are they removed like tokens in competitive magic? If they are in the graveyard it makes cards like Lhurgoyf and Scavenging Ooze extremely powerful.

2) As some people discussed earlier, should each point of lifegain result in a zombie card added to the bottom of their deck? I like using Grove of the Burnwillows and Fiery Justice but they feel too powerful if their drawbacks are negated.

By: Blkmoon

Blkmoon — Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:29:55 +0000

I see Volcanic Awakening listed in the cat horde deck…how does the Storm mechanic work for the horde? As they only draw till one non-token is drawn, would the tokens count or would it only fire once? Seems a card that only leads to one land destruction could be replaced for something more interesting, unless of course the tokens count. Anyone know? I can’t find anything about it. Thanks.

By: Xeno

Xeno — Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:06:25 +0000

In reply to Mr. Z. The horde has no life and cannot be poisoned.

By: johann

johann — Tue, 08 Oct 2013 19:56:43 +0000

A nice combo I came across for use by the horde deck is Grave Betrayal and No Mercy. Even just Grave Betrayal with Plague Wind increases the difficulty a bit… opinions?

By: Berto

Berto — Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:20:22 +0000

add to ban list Undercity informer ,instant win. Or you can add to the rule that the hordes library and graveyard are not affe cted by any spells or abilitie controled by the survivors, so like sword of body and mind, exterpate, traumatize etc… wont work.

By: Patrick Rodgers

Patrick Rodgers — Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:03:52 +0000

Is there an updated Banned List for this format floating around anywhere?

By: Iraqi Dinar

Iraqi Dinar — Thu, 17 May 2012 22:02:35 +0000

I’m in favor of scaling the number of start-up turns for 3-4 player games down to 2. It puts people on the back-peddle faster and will certainly help with the scaling problems.

By: Action Jack

Action Jack — Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:19:45 +0000

In reply to Mattinthehatt. Balance-wise, I haven't tried this so I can't comment. Flavor-wise, though... zombies don't just kill you and keep walking. They stop to eat your brains! And if you refuse to die, they'll just keep biting you forever; zombies have no concept of futility.

By: Rimor

Rimor — Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:48:02 +0000

ramon mtg in 10 turns you're dead or u already milled the entire horde deck
i did my home version, the deck gots 55 tokens 5 giante tokens and another 40 singleton cards, with 27 different zombies and 13 spells(sorcery, instant and wicked enchatments precisely)

by the way, where's recent discussion? just me and ramon here?

By: RamonMTG

RamonMTG — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:38:09 +0000

Would it be too drastic a change to implement a wave system? Like waves that last for, say, 10 turns, with zombies gaining power and numbers each wave? Lords, pumps, things like deathtouch and maybe even equipment?

First wave would be just 2/2’s, second wave 3/3 with cemetery reaper, 3rd maybe Lord of the undead added, then Death Baron and finally Diregraf Captain?

I haven’t fleshed it out obv., but in my mind it seems nice.