Comments on: Wizards of the Coast sues Cryptozoic https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:09:08 +0000 hourly 1 By: Montreal Canadiens iPhone 6 Cases Jersey Stripe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-370019 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:09:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-370019 Thank you, I have just been looking for information approximately this subject for a while and yours is the greatest I have came upon so far. But, what about the bottom line? Are you certain in regards to the supply?

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By: Nick Baker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-101082 Fri, 16 May 2014 21:19:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-101082 Wait…..the Ryo thing happened with King of Fighters. That’s how Dan was born! On a more topical note, one of my friends played Crypto’s WoW CCGs and contantly said is was almost exactly like magic just without the lands. What makes Hex a case and WoW not?

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By: Jason Alt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-100728 Thu, 15 May 2014 19:02:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-100728 In reply to Krond.

A bucket list of similarities? There is a list of things the game want to accomplish before it dies of similarities?

Other fighting games are allowed to exist than Street Fighter. That isn’t what this lawsuit is about. A fighting game isn’t allowed to come along and have a character named Ryo with a white gi and a red headband with moves like the “cyclone” kick and “dragon uppercut”. Hex copied mechanics, aesthetics, cards, game progression, hand size, tapping, card names, etc. Hex is too similar to Magic to be legally allowed.

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By: Krond https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-100718 Thu, 15 May 2014 17:54:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-100718 In reply to Mike.

I did read the entire document. And yes, I agree that there’s a big bucket list of similarities. But I don’t think it’s enough for Wizards to stop Crytozoic.

I’m sure it wouldn’t take long to make up a similarly long list of similarities between Call of Duty and Battlefield, or Starcraft and Command and Conquer, or Diablo 3 and Path of Exile. It’s not like the first game in a genre gets a bulletproof monopoly on all future games (ie: not every FPS is Doom, not every fighting game is Street Fighter, others are allowed to exist).

But, like Corbin and most of you folks, I am not a lawyer. I’m not sure who has the letter of the law on their side. I DO think that Cryptozoic has the ability to keep doing what they’re doing.

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By: Krond https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-100710 Thu, 15 May 2014 17:36:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-100710 In reply to Kazabet.

I am not. I’m saying they saw something they liked, adapted it to fit their game, and then made money off it.

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By: Jason Alt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-100699 Thu, 15 May 2014 17:09:09 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-100699 In reply to Some_one.

“Can’t even do is job”

Muphry’s Law claims another victim

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By: Kazabet https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-100694 Thu, 15 May 2014 16:44:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-100694 In reply to Krond.

Are you proposing that WOW invented provoke and Twilight invented vampires?

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By: Mike https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-100692 Thu, 15 May 2014 16:43:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-100692 Krond, read through the suit. I think it was roughly pages 16-19 that outlined quite a long list of nearly identical aspects of both games.

This isn’t a case of a couple random references here or there, it’s a case of fundamentally designing a game to look and feel like another (aka, copying).

The vampire comparison doesn’t hold any water because vampires, themselves, can’t be copyrighted. It’s wholly public domain. But the problem arises when you steal or come too close to someone’s uniquely designed mythos containing vampires (see: Whitewolf vs Underworld).

…and that’s what Cryptozoic (at least according to WotC … and it’s outlined in great detail in the brief) is doing with Hex.

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By: Krond https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-100661 Thu, 15 May 2014 14:24:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-100661 I play HEX quite a bit actually, and while the game can appear to be quite similar, I think there is enough difference for Cryptozoic to keep doing what they are doing.

Your point about Lifelink vs Lifedrain does point out a strong similarity. But fanatasy worlds often have this sort of effect. Lifeleech, Lifesteal, being a vampire, whatever you call it, “attacking causes the attacker to gain life”… not sure you can successfully sue someone over that.

Its funny how when World of Warcraft TCG comes out, Magic can do Provoke, and when Twilight movies come out, Magic does Vampires, but as soon as its the other way around, they sick the lawyers like rabid pitbulls.

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By: Some_one https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/wizards-of-the-coast-sues-cryptozoic/#comment-100634 Thu, 15 May 2014 12:01:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47199#comment-100634 “Untap cards at the beginning of each card” Page 17.

Well played lawer, can’t even do is Job.

By the way I have this kind of attack. Sure WOTC want to protect their IP but I don’t see why some challenger would hurt them (let’s set aside HearthStone)

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