Piercing The Veil

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Today was an interesting day



The Magic Community has a hard time differentiating between what they want to happen and what they think will happen. Either that, or they genuinely think that Liliana of the Veil will be in M15. How could it not, with repeated references to the "veil".

Never mind that we have a pretty clear indicating that Garruk has gone full murdermaster.



What are the odds that Garruk and Liliana are both planeswalkers in the new set? If reddit voting is any indication (and I don't want to live in a world where it matters), a majority of people think that Garruk being a Green/Black Planeswalker rather than mono-black "because Nicol Bolas"  is more likely than Garruk being mono-black. I think there are a lot of scenarios possible and I have seen every one of them fervently supported by someone.

  • Liliana of the Veil is reprinted and Garruk is also in the set as a Green/Black Planeswalker
  • Liliana of the Veil is NOT reprinted and Garruk is in the set as a Green/Black Planeswalker
  • Both Garruk and Liliana of the veil are mono-black Planeswalker

There are lots more permutations and it's giving me a headache to list them all. I feel like I am insane, because I seemed to be the only one who thought of this.

  • Garruk is in the set as a mono-black Planeswalker and Liliana of the Veil is not reprinted because Holy $@#% why would they do that?

I took to Twitter to see if I was the last sane person on earth.

I was pleased to see it get interesting.


QS Insider Kyle Lopez was spoiling for a bet and would take on all comers.

There was a glimmer of hope as it looked like Art Halavais was somehow silly enough to go for it, but it turns out they were just agreeing with each other SUPER HARD without knowing it.




So no one made a 5 figure bet today. Still, it seems like people who opinions I respect think Liliana of the Veil will not be in M15. That was all I wanted.

What do you think? Will Liliana of the Veil be in M15? Will it be a black Garruk? Green/Black Garruk? Both? Neither? Sound off below.

Unless you care to make it interesting...

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11 thoughts on “Piercing The Veil

  1. My takeaway from this: Kyle Lopez is an asshole. Way to turn something fun (speculating on what will be reprinted, guessing at the hints WoTC drops, aggregating information and taking educated guesses etc) into a big-swinging-dick contest. It’s so much easier for people with money to be like “fine then bet me this outrageous sum of money,” than it is to engage with people in a discussion based on logic, reason, and what limited information exists. What an ass.

    Poor guy just said “hey there’s a good chance of X happening based on what we know so far” and gets a dick sammich in return.

    1. Nah, Kyle’s a nice guy. Maybe he didn’t approach it the best way, but it is Twitter.

      That said, I agree that there’s about a 1% chance of LOTV being in M15, and that’s being generous.

      1. Who knows if it’s bad advice? No one really *knows* what will or will not be reprinted in M15. But if someone is willing to inform me of X, Y, and Z and draws a conclusion, that’s pretty helpful. If someone says “SELL YOUR CHORDS OF CALLING NOW” that’s different from saying “hey there’s a good chance Chord of Calling gets reprinted in M15 because Convoke is a mechanic that they have already spoiled.”

        Also, the “he’s not an asshole, cause hey…Twitter” argument is not valid. If you’re an asshole on Twitter, you’ve at least got some asshole-ish tendencies IRL.

        1. I’m not an asshole IRL, but apparently, I’m always an asshole on the boards… when you say stupid things/ask stupid questions. (Stupid being defined as: A question that can just as easily be answered by using 2 brain cells and/or typing a simple query into google).

        2. If it is a total irrational guess and it is posted under the #Mtgfinance hash tag as “MTG Finance tip” it sure as hell better be called out. I am glad guessing is “fun” but you don’t get to market your guesses as advice under the mtgfinance hash tag, especially if you are a guy with 1 follower accountable to no one.

  2. I’m gonna go with black or G/B Garruk (though we already got one in ISD), and Nissa Revane (or a new version of her) in the G slot. I don’t expect a reprint of LotV until MMA2 at the earliest (if at all).

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