The Fairness of Thopter Combo and How to Fight It

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Welcome to the second week of the new Modern era! If the chatter in discussion threads and the various articles from the past week are any indication, everyone is happily brewing away with the new toys from Wizards. Control mages are eagerly waiting for Ancestral Vision to tick down and aggro players are happily ruining it by killing them first. Meanwhile, everyone is stuffing Thopters into any deck they can find. All is well in this new brewing season.

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The most interesting part of all of this for me is the increasing chorus of voices claiming that the Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek combo (hereafter known as Thopter combo) is very, very good. Possibly to the point of being broken. I did warn you that this was possible last week (and other than this sentence I'm not going to crow about it) but what strikes me is how frequently the combo is described as unfair. Never being one to shy away from overanalyzing things, this week I'm going to evaluate the Thopter combo for its unfairness. What it does, how it does it, and what that means for answering the combo.


The Thopter Combo

Thopter FoundryI know most of you already know this but bear with me; it will be important later. Thopter Foundry says "1, Sacrifice a nontoken artifact: Put a 1/1 blue Thopter artifact creature token with flying onto the battlefield. You gain 1 life." Sword of the Meek has some mostly irrelevant text and then "Whenever a 1/1 creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may return Sword of the Meek from your graveyard to the battlefield, then attach it to that creature." Sacrificing Sword to Foundry creates a 1/1, gains you a life and then triggers the Sword's return ability, allowing you to sacrifice it again as many times as you have mana available in a turn.

swordIn practical terms this means that the Thopter player can make an army of flying chump blockers/attackers at instant speed and gain an equal amount of life, leaving mana open for counters during the opponent's turn. In other words, a nearly ideal control win condition. I say nearly because neither piece does much on its own and you have to assemble it the first time at sorcery speed. The combo also does not guarantee a win, it merely ensures that you will not die. As anyone who ever tried to beat Zoo using a Circle of Protection knows, spending all your mana not dying every turn without removing the reason you need to not die is a losing proposition.

rest in peaceIt is also highly disruptable, both before and after assembly. Whether it's countering Foundry, killing Foundry in response to Sword's trigger, or more dedicated hate cards like Rest in Peace and Stony Silence, if you want to defeat the combo it is fairly easy to do so. The Thopter Depths decks from 2010 Extended got around this using a combination of tutors and Academy Ruins, but as previously noted the best hate cards didn't exist at that time. It is for this reason that Thopter combo has not seen much Legacy success. The most recent high-profile success I can find is from the SCG Indianapolis Open in January 2015. When Miracles was still called Counter Top it often used the combo but I think it's telling that it has been abandoned in favor of Entreat the Angels.

Of course, all of this looks at the combo when it is behind and struggling to catch up. If you are in the driver's seat Thopter combo will make sure you stay there. Zoo and Burn cannot outrace the lifegain plus fliers and even making 3-4 tokens per turn will kill control and combo decks very quickly. It is possible for a deck like Merfolk or Bogles, which do damage in huge chunks, but any stumble will leave them unable to regain lost ground. I suspect this is the scenario players are focusing on when talking about how good Thopter combo is, but it is a valid point. But the question remains: is this fair or unfair?

What is Fair?

Oftentimes we hear the terms fair and unfair thrown around without anyone really defining what they mean. As an academic I find this infuriating since definitions are so important for intellectual inquiry, but they're also extremely difficult. Definitions have to be exclusive enough to meaningfully separate the term and yet inclusive enough to capture the entire intended subject. Jordan found this out last year when he tried to define fair and unfair as part of his Modern Archetypes series.

Based on the discussion Jordan generated and observations since then, I believe most players agree on what fair and unfair means--they just disagree on how to articulate the idea. It's very much a case of, "I know it when I see it," and we're all seeing it slightly differently. I'll prove it: What is a fair deck? What is an unfair deck?

TarmogoyfHow many of you answered Jund/Abzan for the first question? How about Affinity or Storm for the second? We all understand when a deck is being perfectly fair and conversely when something unfair is happening, though I suspect what that means for each player is slightly different, particularly when it comes to what constitutes unfair. What decks are fair provokes comparatively little discussion compared to unfair, so I feel confidant that we all have roughly the same understanding on that point: A fair deck plays by the rules. Necessarily this means that unfair decks don't play by the rules. So what are the rules?

I argue that an unfair deck is one designed to break the fundamental rules of Magic while fair decks operate within them. Draw one card a turn, play one land per turn, generate one mana for each land you control, pay the CMC to cast your spells, and if you want to break any of these rules you have to pay a price. GBx follows these rules scrupulously, even with Dark Confidant who makes you pay life to draw an extra card per turn. Storm joyously breaks these rules via enormous velocity from cantrips, extra mana generation from Goblin Electromancer and rituals, Pyromancer Ascension to do both and Past in Flames to do it all over again. Thus when I think of unfair decks I am thinking of decks that win by generating huge mana and card advantage over the course of a few (or one) turns while the fair decks gradually build up to wins through interaction and efficiency.

Is Thopter Combo Fair?

I say yes. Kinda. What Thopter combo does is actually a fair interaction--it is the end result that is unfair. The combo is using its available mana to generate a finite effect and is (normally) incapable of winning in a single turn or even that quickly, which is fair. The end result of life and Thopter tokens, however, can be seen as unfair, since it is a huge board presence that is technically card advantage.Eye of Ugin I therefore would classify the combo as "fair." I mentioned "fair" decks a few weeks ago in my Shadows preview article talking about Bygone Bishop but I haven't defined it until now. A "fair" deck is one that either does something fair in an unfair way or does something unfair fairly.

Affinity and Eldrazi are examples of the first part, being aggressive creature decks that leveraged a massive mana advantage to generate overwhelming board positions in a turn or two. I consider Infect an example of the latter since it is using something unfair, the infect mechanic, to kill in a fair way. I therefore place Thopter combo in the same category as Infect, a "fair" deck doing an unfair thing (generating huge card advantage and board position) fairly (paying mana over many turns).

Choosing the Battleground

I bring all of that up because if you're going to fight a deck you need to know what kind of deck it is, and that starts by identifying its fairness. Yes, the broad achetypes are important but circumstances and the card pool can make any deck unfair or fair, so you should always begin there. Determining the relative fairness of a matchup can play an enormous role in how you build your sideboard and play the matchup.Karn Liberated For example against Jund you either want to be going over the top with some unfair strategy like Tron or setting yourself for an attrition matchup to "out fair" them. Going for a "fair" strategy can be effective, but it can also backfire if Jund's answers line up well against you, as is the case of Jund vs. Infect.

As I mentioned above, if you're trying to beat a fair deck you don't want to be equally fair. You should either try to be more unfair and ignore their gameplan or be more fair and simply answer everything to win the resource war. In theory the same is true of unfair decks but the reality is a bit murky. If you're a fair deck up against an unfair one it's unlikely that you can sideboard into an unfair strategy that is better than theirs or you would be playing it maindeck. Increasing the fairness of your deck is the only option and that might not work if your answers don't line up well with the unfair deck's hand. Unfair vs. unfair is also odd since it's usually the more fair deck that wins. Look at Legacy Storm where a frequent and effective strategy is to board in additional Thoughtseizes and Dark Confidant in the mirror. "Fair" decks are quite tricky.Thoughtseize The first class of decks are generally hard to disrupt unless you can efficiently target their unfair component before they overwhelm you with their fair strategy. The second class generally fall apart in the face of attrition and answers (Infect vs. removal-heavy decks) or if their unfair thing is not effective against your deck (Extended Life against Aluren).

There is a third option as well: enforce fairness. This is the Death and Taxes strategy. It's usually based on mana denial from taxing effects and results in forcing decks to play more fairly. The more unfair the deck was to begin with the more effective DnT is, and vise versa. For instance Storm needs to draw extremely well to win through Thalia, Guardian of Thraben or Thorn of Amethyst, while Jund doesn't care if it has to pay extra as long as it gets the one-for-one and eventually grinds you out of resources. Thus, depending on the unfair thing you want to fight, it might be better to make them play fair rather than trying to be more fair yourself.

Fighting the Thopters

As a class two "fair" deck, Thopter combo can be effectively answered fairly with one-for-one answers rather than specialized sideboard cards. Spell SnareLast week I mentioned that Scavenging Ooze and Abrupt Decay are effective answers to the combo that see maindeck play. To that you can also add Spell Snare and Kolaghan's Command. The combo has very specific timing that allows it to be efficiently answered without it being able to protect itself and so the normal fair strategies should have little trouble. GBx will be a natural predator for this combo, and I expect that Abzan will take the edge thanks to the power of the white sideboard cards like Stony Silence and Rest in Peace, both against Thopters and other unfair decks. Its advantage against Jund will also contribute.

However, the lingering question is what the Thopter combo deck will look like. Context is everything and while the combo may be fairly answered the rest of the deck may make trying to do so a losing proposition. A more fair deck like Frank Lepore's may be able to ignore the disruption and use redundancy to overcome fair answers. An unfair shell might be able to bypass the hate by setting up for a single big turn or use tutoring for redundancy. If this happens then it becomes more important to restrict their mana and shut down the tutoring engine, which means the format might finally be unfair enough for Modern DnT to be good. Thalia is at her best against unfair decks that rely on mana efficiency. Aven Mindcensor/Leonin Arbiter are murderous against tutors. The more unfair the deck the more likely it is to fall apart when forced to be fair.

Prepare for Battle

Until we have a better picture of the metagame (Sheridan's working on it for tomorrow) and/or the makeup of the Thopter deck, I would shy away from the more specialized DnT style of deck. There will be too many fair decks in this first full week of new Modern for a punisher deck to really shine, and the fair answers should work well enough while pilots are still tuning and testing their Thopter builds. Once the optimal, or nearly optimal, list emerges this is likely to change. Keep your eyes open and your mind unclouded; this will get interesting. Disagree with my assessment or have your own take on the problem? I'll discuss it with you in the comments.

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David has been playing Magic since Odyssey block. A dedicated Spike, he's been grinding tournaments for over a decade, including a Pro Tour appearance. A Modern specialist who dabbles in Legacy, his writing is focused on metagame analysis and deck evolution.

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14 thoughts on “The Fairness of Thopter Combo and How to Fight It

  1. This is a strong article. I think the powerful-but-ultimately-fair label is a good description for the likes of Thopter combo, and I also think that identifying its weak points (doesn’t save you from big chunk damage, especially if it comes via evasive creatures; soft to artifact and graveyard hate; soft to sweepers) is important, since some of the reaction just comes across as people trying to play the way they used to play before the card was introduced. Chances are your sideboard will have to pay a bit of lip service to it, and that’s OK – those sideboard cards are good against other decks anyway.

    1. Nice theory on fair vs. unfair. Modern is full of decks cheating on Mana. I’d argue that’s how almost every deck in Modern wins. If decks aren’t outright cheating (Storm, Ad Nauseam, Tron), they’re casting spells that are way more powerful than their mana cost suggests (Bolt, Goyf, Thoughtseize). It’s important not to confuse “cheating” with “raw efficiency,” but they line can be blurry at times, as is the case with Thopter/Sword.

    2. As long as it’s home is in fair decks I completely agree, Roland. However if an already unfair deck wants this combo then it might be a problem. Whether its because it goes infinite with Krark-Clan Ironworks or is used as an alternative win condition that is unaffected by the hate for the rest of the deck there is definitely potential for abuse, which is why I’ll be putting Rest in Peace in all of my decks until the format settles more.

  2. It’s important to note that the card advantage from making a ton of tokens isn’t actually the same as drawing cards from your deck–one of the problems thopter-sword decks have had in the past is the ability to actually protect the combo or disrupt opposing combo decks. The thopter sword deck in modern likely won’t have the ability to beat a more dedicated control shell with better access to interactive spells or lock pieces, unless it finds some way to blend with another combo (like hex-depths in extended). I think the existence of this deck may be a boon to actual control decks in modern.

    1. You are correct, which is why I noted that there is a very big difference between being behind with Thopter combo vs being ahead. For the reasons you describe I expect that the combo will be paired, at least initially, with Ancestral Visions in control decks whether or not it is actually appropriate to do so. That said it could easily be broken in the right deck, it’s just too early to tell.

  3. Loved this article. I use the same exact definitions for fair and unfair. It’s funny but when you think about it there are just so few real fair decks in modern. I think the most important part of this article, however, is the distinction you make between yhe two types of unfair decks. As a perfect example, when you first classified affinity as unfair earlier in your article, I had this uneasy feeling because according to our shared definition, affinity doesn’t really classify as unfair, although it certainly feels like it sometimes. Likewise with infect, that is clearly playing a fair game, but can feel so unfair when you lose before turn three. Is there a third classification for purely fair decks like Jund or UWx control?

    Also, I will have to disagree, eldrazi was straight unfair with eye. Eye itself isn’t unfair, tho in context, it became broken by cards printed to yield a truly unfair deck. While it may be comparable to affinity in its “puke my hand out” way, affinity at least has to pay for that (fairly) by playing trash cards (on their own). Eldrazi was unfair specifically because it paid no price on the broken things it was doing with eye. At least temple can only be used once a turn, which moves it back to the unfairly doing fair things (yes it’s unfair that a land produces 2 mana, but it fairly uses it within the game’s rules).

    1. I would just say that Jund and UWx are simply fair, opposed to “fair” or unfair. They’re close to the definition really.

      My thinking is that what Eldrazi did was a fair plan, play undercosted aggressive creatures on a curve, that was made unfair thanks to Eye and Eldrazi Temple. Doing something fair unfairly puts in the same “fair” category as Affinity. I admit it was much, much better at it than anyone and its explosiveness was ridiculous but since the game plan itself is fair I stand by my evaluation.

      1. Oh man even better, fair, “fair” and unfair. I didn’t even realize the quotes. I like this even more now.

        As for eldrazi, you get to be all professional in the article, and I appreciate that. I get to profess my undying hate of eldrazi in the comments by making hyperbolic statements.

        Tho in all seriousness, eye-powered eldrazi I truly believe was teetering on full blown unfair. I think one can compare it to Amulet Bloom, another ultimately “fair” deck that was bordering unfair. Did you think that was an unfair or a “fair” deck?

        1. Bloom was pretty clearly unfair. Insane mana generation, single turn wins and using cards in ways not intended? Pretty clearly unfair. It had fair components and could potentially play fair games but it was set up to be unfair. This is doesn’t mean it was “broken” by any means, just that it wasn’t playing by the rules.

  4. Don’t know that there was a way around it but I have the count on the word “fair” in this article at over 9000.

    Imo this is watered down splinter twin. Two cards that when put together will usually win the game, but on their own are bad (of note single exarch or mite is far better than half the thopter combo). This combo can’t be pathed or dismembered but can be k-commanded or scavenging oozed, and takes incidental hate from a lot of existing cards.

    If the combo is actually super strong it will be because you don’t need 8 deck slots for it. Gifts lists are going down to 3 total or even just a 1/1 split. That’s very low opportunity cost and makes sideboarding in stony silence look pretty lame (although gy hate will stop gifts and this combo both cold).

    I’d like to think there are so many answers to it that it won’t be a free win that often, but I suppose time will tell.

    1. You’re probably right, though remember that Twin was really good so a watered down version should still be good. I agree that it is unlikely to be a free win by itself but it could end up being a way to simply buy the time needed to set up an actual free win. It’s going to depend not so much on the combo itself but what the rest of the deck is doing, and that fact may mean that in context it is very broken.

      1. Twin was strong yes but very very few people felt it was actually in need of a ban from the format. The best watered-down-twin can do is be worse than twin, which nobody was that worried about before the ban (although we may mostly feel in retrospect that it was in fact a good move to get rid of it).

        I also think that the temptation to just throw a couple thopters and swords into whatever shell will be limited as both pieces are embarassingly bad on their own, unlike an exarch that could do work or a twin that could be dropped onto a snapcaster or wall of omens as a worst case.

        I play a lot of esper control and few people think its a good idea to change your win con of colonnade/elspeth/white suns zenith over to a bunch of thopters and swords. Control without thopter/sword will continue to be a thing (whether its even tier 2 is another question). So far this looks mostly like a new gifts ungiven toy to add to their iona/norn mix – imo it remains to be seen whether thopter sword and its setup cost of academy ruins or noxious revival wins enough games that norn or iona wouldn’t have won just as easily.

        I say all this without having had a single opponent assemble the combo against me yet though. I may feel very differently if all the theory on how easy it is to stop or how you would have lost to a ham sandwich anyways turns to sand and I find myself constantly losing to the combo if I don’t have the answer right now (i.e. effectively the same thing as twin but with the illusion that you actually have time to draw out of it)

  5. You know, even before the unbanning, I was seriously considering making a deck that ran mainboard Pithing Needle. Foundry as a Needle hit gets added to an already long list: Lili, Scooze, Vial, Cursecatcher, Ezuri, Plating, Mutavault, Bl/Inkmoth, Ravager, Spellskite, Fulminator, Quarter, Karn, Map…

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