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  1. Did you see my article on why EDH REC may not be a good choice for EDH playability numbers?

    Preferred Seelection

    Why not play both this and Sylvan Library: well, you have Mirri’s Guile, Sensei’s Divining Top, Scroll Rack and a few others that you may rather play.

    I wouldn’t argue against the ability to filter, but I would argue against this being the 2nd choice after Library. Also 1 on 1 EDH may not be representative of real EDH games.

    Favor the Mighty

    How do you guarantee your creature has the highest casting cost? Your card may as easily help opponents and the more opponents you have the more likely they are to have something more expensive in play. Did you perhaps again try this in 1 on 1 rather than real games? It would be considerably more reliable in that scenario.

    Signal the Clans

    With Eladamri’s Call you need a single silver bullet, with Signal the Clans you need 3 that deal with the same problem to be sure you end up with a solution. It’s definitely a whole lot better to be able to just get what you want for deck construction purposes. If you often use it to get a finisher you might be better off just playing an additional finisher (leaving you with a better chance to draw another finisher should they be able to deal with it).

    Add to this indeed the print run size, I seem to remember it was in a precon as well, and much easier reprint. I would not be too confident in this card.

  2. The 1v1 example with Preferred Selection was only the first time I played it. The card is actually much better the larger the pod because the games tend to last longer and you see even more cards. You compared it to multiple cards which are double-figures in price. You can buy a Preferred Selection with coins you find in your couch, and that’s appealing.

    As for Favor of the Mighty, sure there is potential for it to backfire, but if you are playing Dinos or Dragons EDH, for example, there is a strong change you will have the highest converted mana costed creature. If you don’t, best to have a board wipe on standby! I played it in a pod of 4 for the record and it was a superstar in the games it landed and stuck. I have not tried it in 1v1 though I imagine it might be even better in that setting.

    Signal the Clans is a bulk tutor (even in foil which is what I specifically believe is a decent pickup as a penny stock spec)… anything that tutors up creatures at instant speed and for 2 CMC should be on my radar, but somehow I didn’t even know this card existed until I played against it in a pod of 4. I’m not anticipating this card to make you rich, but if you’re getting NM foils sub-$1 or LP foils sub-$0.70, I think you will do okay with them over time.

    All three of these cards are wonderful “entry level” cards for EDH. They’re also all very good replacement/budget level options.

    • You’re assuming EDH play on a budget? That’d be another strike against using EDH REC as a source as posting deck lists doesn’t really require any budget and thus is more likely to reflect the ideal deck.

      Preferred Selection

      In my experience EDH players, even starting ones, will try to upgrade their decks. I honestly couldn’t estimate how many would buy Preferred Selection yet not save a little more for the better options. Crystal Ball and Darksteel Pendant btw.

      Favor of the Mighty

      I assume you would agree that the more players the better the chance someone will have more expensive guys? From a deck building perspective it just makes so little sense to me to include a card that has the potential to help others. EDH tends to often boil down to big plays, most decks have a few 7-8 mana creatures and 9 isn’t even that uncommon. That’s the range Dinos and Dragons are in, now if you’d go with something that tops with a few options at 10 I think you may have a decent chance of making it playable, but that’ll be quite rare.

      Also the card wastes a slot that could’ve gone to anything. Is giving a big creature protection not a ‘win more’?

      1 on 1 is pretty much irrelevant for EDH, but yes, it will be better there. Your pod of 4 is a small EDH game, 5-6 is far more common in my experience.

      Signal the Clans

      Basically you’re saying ‘buy tutors’? You don’t really address the problems I mentioned that I believe it has.

      “All three of these cards are wonderful “entry level” cards for EDH. They’re also all very good replacement/budget level options.”

      So now we get to the meat of it. Where I think your assumption is flawed is that you assume people keep buying these when they are no longer replacement/budget options, as you assume you can profit enough on them to make the effort worth it.

      For example those sub $1 Signal foils, selling at $5 would be worth the effort, but with shipping both ways and related effort it couldn’t be much lower before it’d be a waste of time. Will a budget minded EDH player a. buy foils over non-foils, b. buy these at $5 and c. not save up for a better card instead?

      I am not claiming there will never be cards that have the chops to go from cheap to a decent profit, but cards that have been around for this long, which many budget minded players won’t know because they’re form before they started to play, I don’t see it happen to the extend that it would be worthwhile.

      • I am not trying to exclusively “profit off of these cards” first and foremost. I have copies as specs because I think they are very good, yes, and I disclosed that in both QS Discord and the article. But I bought the copies intentionally after testing the cards in games. I think you are reading my article incorrectly if that’s how you are interpreting it.

        The article is all written with a “play these first and give them a shot” tone. I’m not advocating spending $50 to spec on any of these cards. But all three are very much the type of card that fits my target wheelhouse – they’re all lesser known to the average player and they are budget options that do really great things in the right context. (I am very surprised you don’t think players build EDH decks on a budget; I am of the camp that says there is a huge audience who keep their decks to $100 or less, but realistically neither of us will have surefire data to back these claims, thus we have to make our own assumptions).

        I would suggest trying each card out. I can tell you are making assumptions in your writing that indicates to me you haven’t actually played with these cards. Regarding Favor of the Mighty specifically, there are so few 9+ drops in MTG that 8 is the “magic number” and all of the best Dinos just happen to be that number. Sure, if I were playing against Eldrazi, a Draco, or a bunch of Leviathans with my Dinos then Favor might backfire, but in the overall large pool of decks available there are very very few which have creatures above 8 CMC.

        • (of note: I do not currently run a Zacama in my Dinos deck because of my own budget desires and not wanting to pay ~$7 for a card I view is worth no more than $3-4, but Zacama is a 9-drop)

          • But there’s your issue, if you won’t pay over $4, why would you expect to be able to sell these if/when you are proven right?

        • I have played against each of these and have played with Preferred Selection, though not for long as it just wasn’t good enough. I’ve spent significant time on thinking about Preferred Selection and Signal the Clans for decks, but they just couldn’t make the cut. I’ve not thought about Favor of the Mighty as much because the logic simply doesn’t work out, not even for my Mayael deck. For over 10 years almost any Magic I’ve played has been EDH, for most of that time on a weekly basis. I am a fanatical deckbuilder if nothing else.

          Perhaps rather than attacking my merits as a commenter, why not assume that I may actually have some idea what I am talking about and address my objections to playing the cards instead? If I don’t the objections should be easy to deal with.

          I was not suggesting you are trying to profit off of these in the sense that you bought in and are now trying to get others to do the same so you can reap the rewards. I am suggesting that if these are meant to be good buys they should be sell-able at a significantly high price to be worth buying in to.

          I think you must’ve misread, I am not suggesting people don’t play on a budget, I think the vast majority does. I only asked if you were assuming the context of EDH budget building, which I think you are. In that context: these all need to increase to a value beyond budget building to be interesting from a finance perspective, so who is your target audience then? It’s not about showing that they have merit for budget minded players now, it’s about showing that they will have merit for less budget minded players in the future.

          • I read all of your comments as very dismissive to my points and a little bit critical as if I am writing to pump and dump some bulk cards which is completely and utterly false. These three cards are underplayed, unappreciated, and in most cases unknown. If you don’t think these are good cards, don’t buy them or play them. I won’t be continuing this conversation any further.

  3. Chris and I discussed in private for a bit. I discovered this was mostly written as an informative piece written for budget minded EDH players. Obviously I would wholeheartedly agree with these cards being good recommendations in that context.

    I read it as a finance article, considering the website it’s on, thereby focusing on the gains to be made on these cards. My comments were made along those lines and I think Chris understands where I was coming from.

    I believe we understand each other’s points of view now and how we are looking differently at these things. Neither view is wrong, it’s just a matter of perspective.

    • 100% agreed, Pi, and thank you for taking it offline with me and discussing so we could better understand each others’ perspectives.

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