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Endless Horizons – Four Tier System

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In my previous article, I promised you a new trading system. While it’s still in the testing phase, I feel that it’s developed enough for me to publicly present.  I’m not saying this is going to turn you into the Warren Buffett of your local shop, but with a bit of work and minor tweaks to it, I think it could be used to generate a larger trading base, and a stable flow of cards.

The 4 Tier Trading System is a rather large project, which uses four folders and requiring you to constantly update your stock based on activity for cards over the past week. It has potential to create an attractive market for yourself and those you trade with. If anyone wants to undertake this project with me, please let me know since more research and results are always a good thing.

Tier 1/Folder 1: High value, low volume. It contains any rares $10 or more, and all mythics that have proven themselves as usable, above $5, or those with a high opportunity to rise.  Due to the nature of this folder, it will be a low volume folder, and has the highest profit potential.

Tier 2/Folder 2: Low value, High volume. Any proven commons will be included in here such as Lightning Bolt, and Mana Leak. Uncommons that have been proven, and have a demand for them will also be included. Good candidates for this would be Condemn, Everflowing Chalice, Pyroclasm, and Contagion Clasp. Any rares that carry a value between $1 and $9.99 are also included, and all mythics not in the Tier 1 folder also reside here.

Tier 3/Folder 3: Medium volume, medium value. This folder is for all of your MPR cards, foils, promos, FNM, altered art, misprint or anything else that distinguishes them from the rest. The value in this folder can vary by wide margins, from .10 cent foil commons to your foil Koth of the Hammer. Because this folder is full of promos and other specialty cards, you can make large profit margins trading to the right people through this folder.

Tier 4 folder staple

Tier 4/Folder 4: This is the folder that will generate your repeat business, and I call it the freebie folder. All rares not in Tiers 1 and 2 fall here, as well as many uncommons that see local/casual demand, but nothing worth separating them for. Mind Control is a great example. This folder is used ONLY FOR REPUTATION BUILDING. NOT FOR TRADING OUT OF. It’s a sort of “Thank you” system, used to give your trading partner something of their own choice just for completing a trade. Don’t even mention it until the deal is done. While not everyone will take anything, most newer players, EDH players, and casual players will find something in it, letting them walk away happy. If you’re trading with someone and they find something in here, but not in the other Tiers, just give it to them, within reason of course. Remember we had discussed public relations here in my second article? Well this is one of those tools that can really provide a boost to your public image.

Working with the idea of the fourth tier folder, I have some general ways I use it based on the trade. For every incoming mythic, I give away 1 card. I also give away 1 card for every 5 rares that I traded for, giving them at minimum 1 card. If that sees your freebie folder emptying out quickly, you can switch to a dollar value system. For every 5-10 dollars of incoming value, give away 1 card. However, if your freebie folder is emptying quickly then you’re doing it right.

I’m sure many of you have already seen how the fourth tier can be used to create bigger deals of incoming value and number of cards for you. People love free stuff, and when they find out that trading with you gets them free stuff, they will be much more interested in creating and completing deals. This is also a marketing tool that will, given time, speak for itself. This also has a huge potential for abuse, and while I can’t control how you use this, I can give you this piece of advice.

Do well, or do good?

“Before you can do well, you must first do good”

While it’s backwards to the traditional way of thinking in the business world, in the Magic trading world, you first have to do good. Good for your market, community, self, and store. This will build your reputation and through that, you will then do well, as in making a ton of profits while maintaining a positive image.

Lastly, I wanted to touch on the concepts from my previous article that I didn’t go over when talking about marketing, the five ideas outside of the “four P’s”; Economy, Law, Technology, Competition, and Culture.

Economy: This is the one that we care about the most. A stable and flowing economy provides the biggest opportunity to make profits. If the same cards are circulating through the shop you attend weekly, your market is stagnant. Read my first article and use that to fix it.

Law: There really is no law when it comes to trading cards. You can’t go to jail for insider trading, you can’t be charged taxes on your “profits”. It’s basically the Wild West out there, and everyone just adheres to a commonly accepted code of conduct.

Technology: Except it’s the Wild West with lasers and robots. Almost everyone has a phone they can use to check prices on hand, and sites like this one are out there for people to read. Use this to your advantage, sign up for Twitter and follow the writers and other financial minds. It’s up to you to figure them out, but do some research of your own. It’s far more rewarding that way.

Competition: I went over this section last week. Competition is healthy, and promotes a better market all around.

Culture: This is one that a lot of people forget about when it comes to trading. There is still the human aspect involved with it and a culture aspect as well. Understand this, and you stand to do both good, and well.

That’s all for this week, I will be switching from a bi-weekly column to a weekly column starting next week. There are tons of great things coming up for Quietspeculation.com, and I hope you’re all around to be a part of them.

Until next week,

Stephen Moss

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Whinston’s Whisdom: The Persecutor Strikes Back

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Joining you here for yet another week of all-star Magic financial coverage, it’s Whinston’s Whisdom with Nooooooooah Whinstoooon!!!

Crowd: Noah! Noah! Noah!

Sigh…if only. I really do need to think up a better introduction.

Anyways, welcome one and all to another Whinston’s Whisdom here on Quietspeculation.com. Following last week’s article, which seemed to go over much better, I’ll not be including any trades in this article, even Pack to Power (as I didn’t get the opportunity to trade over the past week). Today I want to focus on one new deck in the Standard metagame, and look forward to some predicted shifts that you should be ready for.

First off, we’re returning to Blue/Bluck control. The lasttime I brought this deck up, it had just won the State Champs in New York. However, this past weekend, Nick Sapgnolo won with this deck AGAIN, taking down the TCGPlayer 5k with a practically identical list. If you didn’t think U/B was a contender before, time to eat some crow, ‘cuz this thing is here to stay. Before I move on to look at a list, I want to just take a quick look at the place of Control in the metagame. At the moment, there are 3 main archetypes: U/R, U/W, and U/B. U/R is the consensus worst, though perhaps the best against Aggressive decks, but U/W and U/B continue to battle it out for supremacy. But with a recent addition to U/B I feel Spagnolo’s deck is more than equipped to be the top dog. Ladies and gentleman, I present to you U/B Control:

3 Trinket Mage

3 Abyssal Persecutor

2 Frost Titan

4 Preordain

2 Everflowing Chalice

1 Elixir of Immortality

1 Brittle Effigy

4 Mana Leak

4 Doom Blade

2 Into the Roil

1 Deprive

3 Jace Beleren

2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

1 Stoic Rebuttal

1 Consuming Vapors

1 Consume the Meek

4 Creeping Tar Pit

4 Drowned Catacombs

4 Darkslick Shore

3 Tectonic Edge

1 Scalding Tarn

6 Island

4 Swamp

A note before we continue, this list is a hybrid of my list that I play online and Gerry Thompson’s list that he posted in his latest article. That said, let’s start from the top.

Abyssal Persecutor: if Wurmcoil Engine is Titan #6, this guy is #7. Though he fell out of favor when Alara Block was still legal, with the copious spot removal gone from the format, the Persecutor has become a much stronger creature. True, there are fewer ways to kill him after your opponent is “dead”, but this deck has effectively 9 ways to kill him, and he can always serve as a blocker until you find a removal spell. Persecutor is absolutely ridiculous, and you can’t wait to pick him up. He’s already gone up 30% on MTGO in the past week, and as I always say, MTGO is one of the best indicators of paper prices.

Frost Titan: though the deck only runs 2 to make room for Abyssal Persecutor, Frost Titan is just as dominating as he always was. Another card that has shot up even more on MTGO. The week after States, it rose by 150%. It’s gone up another 50% above that in the past week, up to 11-12 tickets from 3. While I think it’s too late to capitalize much on this one, just keep it in mind to avoid taking losses trading them away.

Trinket Mage Package: this is one of the elements I like least about the deck. The package feels very clunky to me, even though it is obviously good and killing Persecutors, buying time against Red decks, and reusing business spells in the Control mirror. I would like to replace this with something, but I don’t know what. Not much financial importance here. Brittle Effigy is the only Rare, but it’s worthwhile to remember that it sells for 1.5 tix online.

Only 5 Jaces? Yep, only 5. Another thing I’ve noticed about Control is the radical shift that it’s gone through in just the past few weeks. At States, everyone advocated the Tap-Out, many threats plan. Since then, most decks have turned to increased countermagic and a more permission based control. Not only better against the mirror, but permission based control also has an easier time against random rogue decks, and the aggro portion of the field. Big Jace has remained relatively stable for a while now, but I would try to pick a few copies up just before Extended season, as I expect to see him there. Little Jace on the other hand has become more and more important, directly proportional to the rise of big Jace. Little Jace is up 31% on MTGO in the past week, up to 6-6.5 tickets.

Consuming Vapors and Consume the Meek: An anti-aggro package, where Consuming Vapors can also kill your own Persecutor. I havn’t been impressed with the Vapors, mainly because the majority of the aggro decks in the format play many cheap, crappy creatures (Memnite, Llanowar Elves…), reducing it’s effectiveness. You may just want to cut it for a maindeck Memoricide (more on that later) or another counterspell.

Creeping Tarpit: The best manland in Standard, no contest. I think Tarpit singlehandedly makes U/B the dominant control deck, because of how it breaks open the mirror. It doesn’t matter how many Wall of Omens your opponent has, their Jace is still dead. And their other Jace. Then their Elspeth. And then them. It’s not often you see a land take a large price hike, but Tarpit is up 60% in the past week. Luckily, most people in the paper world are not onto his yet, so take advantage of this gap while it lasts.

Darkslick Shore: I’m not sure I like 4 of these, but by cutting Frost Titans for Persecutor’s you gain a lower curve, so I guess it’s probably fine. Shore is also the most expensive of the Scars duals, showing the affect that the U/B hype has on the pricing of its cards.

The only notable Sideboard card for the deck is Memoricide. While originally played in the maindeck, I don’t feel as if it serves the same role that it did, now that it is a known quantity. Still an extremely powerful card for the mirror and ramp matchups which deserves 3-4 slots in the Sideboard. This has also gone up, 60% in the past week.

And there you have it, Standard’s U/B Control in all its glory. The hype surrounding the deck is immense, especially on MTGO, so you should be looking to sell cards for the deck rather than buy them up, unless you have a very slow local market. I hope this has helped you gain a bit of insight into one of the most competitive new Standard decks in the metagame, and most likely a force for months to come.

Pack to Power will resume next week,

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#followfriday: An Open Letter to the Magic Trading Community

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From: Doctor Albert's Magic: The Gathering Trading Prescription

By: Chas Andres

A year and a half ago, there were no trading columns on the internet.

Don't be this guy.

The only person who wrote at all about the financial aspect of Magic was Ben Bleiweiss, the manager of acquisitions for Star City Games. He wrote (and still writes) a column the day before the prerelease of each new set, detailing what he thinks will happen to the price of each new card. Beyond this he would have occasional spurts of financial writing where he’d do a column for a couple weeks every few months. Other than that, good financial information was nearly impossible to get anywhere.

Then something changed.

First came that guy on Channel Fireball who wrote “Rishadan Pawnshop”, the financial column that eventually turned into an Extended strategy column and then disappeared. Then Kelly Reid, and Quiet Speculation, and Jon Medina, and Doubling Season, and Pack to Power, and then PacktoPower.com, and a whole community of people turning toward trading as another competitive aspect of Magic. Our new readership saw what we’ve known about for years: that the rush of trading Magic cards is every bit as interesting, complex, and rewarding as playing the game we love. Now, I can read a financial column nearly every day if I want. I have real-time Twitter updates on hot cards from trusted experts. My own Pack to Power has made me “the trading guy” at my FNM, and I’m not the only one there trying to turn a pack of cards into a pile of profit. The world is different now. We’ve changed it.

But even though there are more people trading now than in years past, I fear that the growing attention put on the trading/financial community is going to backfire on us and destroy our favorite part of the game. As more and more power traders emerge, so too does the pool of available casual traders go down. This is because all it takes is one horrible experience with a power trader for a casual to put their binder away and stop bringing it to FNM.

It is important that everyone understands this:

Casual traders sustain our continued business, much the same way the Earth sustains our continued life. If we mistreat the Earth, our ability to survive goes down. It we mistreat the people we trade with, our ability to keep making trades goes down.

There is a trader at one of my local stores who doesn’t get this concept. He will badger people to trade in the middle of games, on their way to the bathroom, and when they’re in the middle of other trades. Then he will take them for as much value as he can. Then he will walk away. If you trade with him again, he will often remark about how much value you “got him for” last time (regardless of whether it’s true or not), and demand an even more lopsided deal this time around.

If you act like him, we all lose. As power traders, we are all effectively small business owners working in a VERY customer-oriented business. If you mistreat your customers, not only will you find yourself ostracized, but you will be tarnishing all of our names.

How many players have you traded with who were hesitant or unwilling to make deals because they got burned by an earlier trader?

We are not car dealers – we are not a necessary evil. If Magic trading were banned from shops, the game would still survive.

That said, here are a few rules that I believe you should follow in order to keep our community healthy and vibrant. And as an added bonus, they’ll make you a better trader. It’s a win/win: my favorite kind of win.

1) Establish a fun dialog with your trading partner.

You should not be all business when you are trading unless you are dealing with a true shark. Instead, you should be seeking to engage them on whatever level they enjoy Magic the most. If they’re after Johnny rares, talk to them about fun combos and game situations you’ve been in. If they’re after staples, talk to them about the sweet new brew they’ve just read about. This not only helps you figure out what best to trade for, but it makes your partner enjoy the act of trading. If they think of trading as a fun conversation that ends with them getting awesome new cards, they’ll be more likely to do it again.

2) Don’t always trade for value.

Sometimes, it makes sense to complete a trade that is perfectly even. Even if the cards you get in return aren’t staples. Even if you aren’t trading up.

Making a trade that your partner wants even if it is a gain of zero for you is still a positive. Why? It establishes you as someone who is easy to trade with. Who do you think they’ll go to next time they need a card?

One of the biggest complaints people who don’t often trade have about trading is that it is hard. Make it easier for them.

3) Don’t haggle over that last buck.

Jon Medina once wrote about how haggling for the last buck over a trade is a waste, because you could (and should) be using that time to make additional trades. Kelly Reid once wrote that you should end most trades DOWN a buck so that you can ask for a couple throw-ins, which usually add more than a buck to the final value of a trade.

While I love Medina’s thinking and Reid’s gambit, there’s another reason not to haggle over a buck either way: it’s excruciating.

Have you ever been at a trade table for 10, 15, 20 minutes just trying to finish one trade? Every time you get close, the value is just a little to far in someone’s direction for both of you to feel comfortable pulling the trigger.

Do you think that this person will ever be excited about trading with you again? Do you think they’re going to want to trade again that night at all?

Plus, ending a trade down a buck makes your trading partner feel like they owe you. Next time, they’ll remember that you did them a solid and may reward you for being a cool guy.

4) Don’t brag about how you stomped someone else at the trade tables.

In Magic, coming back from an impossible situation to beat your opponent is exciting. The cards cut a certain way, you get exactly what you need two turns in a row, and suddenly you’ve come back and won a game that you had no right winning. It’s cool, and exciting, and it’s mostly luck based, even if you played well. During M11, I lost a game of draft where I had a couple 2/2 creatures on the board, 20 life, 8 swamps, and a Corrupt in my hand. My opponent was on 3 life, no creatures in play, and only 2 cards in hand. It was game 3 of the last round of FNM. And I lost.

I certainly hope that my opponent is still telling the story about that game, because I sure would be. It was epic.

In trading, however, there is no luck.

If you beat someone at the trade tables, it is because you knew something that they didn’t know and used that information to your advantage. I’m not saying this is wrong – in fact, our whole country is built around using and exploiting this very principle – but you should know better than to then start talking about how much you “owned some n00b” for their titans.

If it gets back to them, they will feel terrible. They can’t blame luck, or the draw, or the shuffler. They can only blame themselves for not knowing what you knew.

If it gets to someone you were planning on trading with, how are they going to feel about trading with you in the future? Or with anyone else?

5) Adjust your trading style according to who you are trading with.

If you are trading with a player who has opened <10 booster packs in their life, the only kinds of trades you should be looking to make is to give them a TON of stuff they need for their deck for their 1-2 standard staples that aren’t doing them much good. This is where you trade up, not where you gain value.

If you are trading with a child, you should not expect them to know values. You should present them with fair, market values for their cards and yours. Kids don’t know any better.

If you are trading with a casual trader, you should not force them into making deals they’re not comfortable with. Let them set the tone.

It is only with sharks and other value traders that you should be looking to pull out all the stops and go for as much value as possible. The only people recently that I have gone full-bore with are those who I knew were regular readers of this blog, and knew every trick I have.

6) Provide a service for people.

People like trading with me because they know that I have a ton of cards and I’ll work hard to get the cards they want. At the Scars prerelease, a guy asked me for a Solemn Simulacrum, and I told him I didn’t have one. His face fell, and while we were planning a lesser trade for other cards, his flight got called and he left.

You know what I did? I traded around and found someone with a Solemn. An hour later, I went back to that guy and told him I found the card he wanted. Not only couldn’t he have been happier, but he gave me incredible value because I went out of my way to help him.

Last week at FNM, I got to make the following trade:

My:

  • [card[Koth of the Hammer[/card] x3 – $119.91

His:

  • Molten-Tail Masticore (foil) – $49.99
  • Baneslayer Angel x2 - $35.96
  • Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre – $8.99
  • Jace's Ingenuity (foil) – $1.99
  • Mutavault – $17.99
  • Vengevine – $37.97
  • Eldrazi Monument - $18.98
  • Elspeth, Knight-Errant – $14.99

+$66.95
How did I make this trade?

Well, first we both undervalued the Monument, which really peaked over the last few weeks. But more to the point, he *really* wanted Koths for a deck and wanted them now. I had three Koths at home in a deck I was brewing up, but told him I was willing to part with them at the right price. I told him that I would drive home and get them for him if he made me an offer I couldn’t refuse.

So he did.

Not every trade is about value for everyone. There were no other Koths for trade in the room – only mine, which were actually sitting in my drawer a few miles away. By providing a service for my partner here, we both wound up very happy at the end of the evening. He got the cards he needed, and I got enough value to make it worth giving up cards I wanted for a personal deck.

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Remember: cards have no value on their own.

I like to say that cards + knowledge + time = value, but the real equation is this:

Cards + Knowledge + Time + Customers = Value

Don’t forget about the human element, or it’s all over for all of us.

Chas Andres

Once upon a time, there was a little Thraximundar. He ate, and ate, and ate, and one day he grew up to be a very large Thraximundar that played the bass for Grixis' second best metal band. Oh, you wanted something about me? My name is Chas. I'm 25 years old, unless you're reading this after September 22nd, 2011, in which case I am 26 or more years old. I live in Studio City, California with my girlfriend, our two cats, and a few hundred thousand Magic cards. I am trying to become a television writer, but instead of working on my pilot I am writing this bio and/or an article for this site. I mostly draft, and I am generally pretty good at it. I tend to 3-0 most weeks at FNM for the first month or so of a new set. Then everyone else learns how to draft it and I tend to start to lose. I like foils. Even the bendy ones. I put them in perfect fit sleeves inside other sleeves and pretend they aren't bendy. My favorite animal is Robot. My favorite color is Simic. Read my articles and comment about them. I like the attention.

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The Revenue Review – Where do we go from here?

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States results have been in for more than a week now, and you’ve been bombarded with Top 8 lists and all kinds of price information.

What do you do now?

Knowing how to process this information is important to keeping ahead of the game. I’ve got a couple of points that should help you do that.

Staying up to the minute

This is obvious, but much harder than it sounds. The best way to catch cards before they spike in price is to be there at the event where they take off.

Of course you can’t always physically “be” there, but there are plenty of ways to stay connected. The best tool is www.ggslive.com. If you haven’t watched them, then you need to start.

They cover large events (other than Pro Tours) with video coverage of matches, and (mostly) entertaining commentary on the matches.

For example, I was able to jump ahead of the game on Serra Ascendant after US Nationals just by watching the coverage, where all the talk was about Conley Woods’ latest concoction. There are usually only about 1,000 people watching the feed at a time, so you don’t have to worry about the whole world being updated at the same time. Most people won’t see the results from the event until the next day, at which time you’ll already be invested.

Another useful tool is Twitter. Every week I include my Twitter account (@Chosler88) and most of the other authors on here do the same. Getting involved on Twitter is a great way to stay informed because you have a direct, real-time connection to pros such as Mike Flores and Pat Chapin. Some of you with the fancy phones can even do this from your cell phone.

If those instant options aren’t available, you can fall back on some slightly slower methods such as Quiet Speculation and www.dailymtg.com.

Finding the signs

This step is a bit more involved. Basically you need to take the information you’ve got from the channels above and apply it along with some deductive reasoning.

For instance, like I pointed out last week, Lux Cannon saw some play at States and is poised to see more play as the block progresses. You can spot cards like this by following Top 8s from events including 5ks and PTQs, not just Grand Prixs and Pro Tours.

Understanding the effect pros have on cards is also important. When Pat Chapin posts a decklist, that has an impact. Checking these articles at midnight every day is a great way to get ahead of the price impact on sites at Ebay.

Now that you’re following all these sources, you still need to implement the last and most important step.

Be Bold

This is a trap I find myself falling into from time to time. With limited funds, it can be really hard to commit yourself to something that might not pay off. But you have to do it to really make the profits you are looking for. Trust your instincts on cards, because even if you are wrong sometimes, it’s extremely gratifying when you’re right and pick up your Tarmogoyfs before anyone else.

This works best when you’re buying and selling online using sites like Ebay, but it can also apply to trading. If you think a card has all the making of a card about to spike, don’t be afraid to trade aggressively for them. Cards come back, so you need to take your chances when you can to make a big profit. Grinding out small profits week after week is important, but so is taking your shots every now and then.

Reader Trade of the week:

After a break, we’re back with another submitted trade. This one comes from Brian Doran, and the trade itself is a few weeks old, so looking back at it now will provide an interesting perspective.

Again, I’ll quote his post for the trade before I get into it.

“My next partner was a bit fickle to sit and trade, I followed him out to smoke, he got really chatty with me about who knows what, I work sales so I'm used to casually laughing and nodding to just about anything.  Finally I get him to go back to a table and next round pairings go up. I almost screamed.  The round ends and I finally get him to sit still.  He's browsing through my folder, continuing to chat it up, I would ask him what he valued certain cards at whenever it seemed like he lost focus.  He brought up an idea for R/B Pyromancer Ascension post rotation, and I recommended giving bloodcheif a try along side of it.

My (11.18)

3 Dragonskull Summit (2.44)

4 Bloodchief Ascension (0.75)

1 Gaea's Blessing Russian Time Shifted (0.86)

His (16.60)

Misty Rainforest (8.49)

Foil Pelakka Wurm (0.99)

Birds of Paradise (2.44)

Oracle of Mul Daya (2.79)

Elvish Archdruid (1.89)

Net (5.42)”

First of all, let’s update the prices for this trade and see how it works out. I’ll be using CoolStuffinc.com pricing, so we’re really more interested in the proportion of the trade rather than the exact numbers.

My ($18)

3 Dragonskull Summit ($3)

4 Bloodchief Ascension ($1.75)

1 Gaea's Blessing Russian Time Shifted ($2)

His ($27)

Misty Rainforest ($14)

Foil Pelakka Wurm ($.50)

Birds of Paradise ($4)

Oracle of Mul Daya ($4.50)

Elvish Archdruid ($4)

The prices work out to be about the same proportionately, with a 2-3 ratio. Obviously it’s a good trade value-wise, flipping some low-end rares for some hot Standard cards, but that’s not why I was interested in this trade.

The best part of this trade was the work Brian put in to accomplish it. I’ve talked before about how important it is to develop a relationship with your trading partners, and Brian did that perfectly here. Working to establish a trust with his partner is what makes this a special trade, and it’s something most people don’t put the work into when trading. Talking to your partners about why they want to trade and what type of cards they’re looking for is really effective, and it only takes a few minutes of effort to go this extra mile in your trades.

That’s it for the next week. Until next week, remember the best way to know a card is going to spike in price is to break the format yourself!

Corbin Hosler

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Techniques for Rebuilding Your Binder

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Today I want to take a brief hiatus from writing about internet trading to discuss my States trading experience and give some ideas on rebuilding a binder after it has been cleaned out by a dealer. Connecticut States was a pretty good size, with a little over 150 people, so I figured there was going to be some good trading opportunities. In preparation I had picked up every Ratchet Bomb I could find from all the local people as well as the Scars duals. I started the day with 8 Ratchet Bombs and picked up a few as the day progressed but by the end they were all gone. I was also able to pick up some Frost Titans cheap and flip them pretty fast as people are realizing more and more how great a card it is. I have to admit I didn't really give it much thought at first but now I wouldn't even want to sleeve up a deck that didn't include them. If you can pick these up for $6-7 now grab them up since I honestly feel you will be able to move these at $10+ in the near future.

I also had the opportunity to trade up to a Tarmogoyf. I ended up giving about $45 in trade value for it which isn't terrible but not spectacular either. I don't remember the exact trade but it was a Molten-Tail Masticore and a bunch of smaller rares, including three of the new Scars duals. I figured that I would be able to get more for this if I listed it online anyway but as it turns out, future complications would end up having me sell this to a dealer so the trade up was great for that reason. I'm sure it is common knowledge by now but when you are going to move the cards to a dealer you want to have higher value cards. I ended up with $39.40 in trade credit for just that card but if I tried to sell the cards I traded for it I would have been lucky to get half of that.

Now I want to tell you a side story about the main event that ends up with me basically having to sell my binder to a dealer to replace some cards. My fiance wanted to play in the event as well so I sleeved up Mono-G Eldrazi for her. She started 4-1 before finishing 4-4 while I played U/G/R Destructive Force and got dreamcrushed in the penultimate round by triple Summoning Trap on turn 4. I finished 6-2 which is upsetting but not nearly as much as what happened next.
We get home and I start to put everything away but I notice that I'm missing the mono green deck. We search everywhere and she even goes back to the event site but it is nowhere to be found. We think what most likely happened is that she took it out of her purse before we left when she was searching for something else and forgot to put it back in. While it would have been nice if they had turned it in to the TO I knew better and realized it was gone before she left for the event site again.

Fortunately my trade binder was meaty enough that I could replace everything so I shipped the cards to a dealer for trade credit. I was able to get everything back plus some Scars product for drafting. Of course this left me with an abysmal binder but that gave me an opportunity to discuss the following with you. What are some ways to fill up a binder without spending cash?

It took me two days of trading to get the binder back to a respectable level, and just in time for FNM and a big win-a-case standard event this weekend. First let me list out what was left after sending the cards in:

1 Myrsmith (Foil)
1 Glint Hawk (Foil)
1 Umbra Mystic (Foil)
3 Vengeful Archon
1 World Queller
2 Morningtide
4 Armament Master (1 Foil)
1 Decree of Justice
1 Conqueror's Pledge
3 Oust
1 Nomads' Assembly
1 Balancing Act
1 Angelic Arbiter

2 Sphinx of Lost Truths
4 Trinket Mage (SoM...1 Foil)
1 Grand Architect (Foil)
1 Flash (German)
1 Counterspell (German)
1 Guile (JvC)
1 Clone
1 Arcum Dagsson
1 Dormant Gomazoa
2 Conundrum Sphinx
1 Redirect
1 Hive Mind
3 Stormtide Leviathan
3 Nix

3 Necrotic Plague
1 Graveborn Muse
1 Agadeem Occultist
1 Imp's Mischief
1 Death Wish
1 Enslave (GvL)
1 Halo Hunter
1 Infest (textless)
1 Nightmare

1 Molten Psyche
1 Magma Phoenix
1 Cyclops Gladiator
1 Wild Evocation (Foil)
1 World at War
2 Magmaw
1 Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
1 Ancient Hellkite
1 Goblin Ruinblaster
3 Rift Bolt (FNM)

4 Crop Rotation
1 Nantuko Cultivator

1 Void
1 Violent Ultimatum
1 Clarion Ultimatum
1 Chorus of the Conclave (Foil)
1 Realm Razer

1 Quicksilver Fountain
1 Grappling Hook
2 Hedron Matrix
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Uba Mask
1 Angelheart Vial
1 Temple Bell
2 Voltaic Key
5 Steel Hellkite (Promo)

9 Snow-Covered Island (Ice Age)

There are a couple of decent cards left but overall this binder is full of fail. At school the next day I tried to make some trades but things weren't working out well so I had a “sale”. I announced that the junk rares I would trade away at a dime apiece. This allowed me to transform some of my junk rares into junk rares that actually see some occasional play. Those rares I could trade up to slightly better rares and so on. After making a few trades like this I moved the price up to a quarter per rare and started 'selling' my binder. Normally a binder sells itself as people are able to find cards they actually want. When the quality is this low you have to resort to other tactics. Talk to the people you are trading with and figure out what they like to play, what decks they are building, etc. Then sell them on cards they could possibly use for it. You will probably have to take a loss on some of these trades but I will gladly trade away ten bargain bin rares for a $3-4 rare in situations like this.

Of course you can always use this tactic when trading but in this situation you are almost certainly forced into it. At the end of the first day I had picked up:

+2 Knight Exemplar
+1 Brave the Elements (textless)
+1 Restore Balance
+2 Lenonin Arbiter
+1 Grand Architect
+1 Trapmaker's Snare (Foil)
+1 Archive Trap
+1 Consume the Meek
+1 Gigantomancer (Foil)
+1 Fauna Shaman
+1 Mimic Vat

Which certainly improved the quality of my binder quite a bit. By the way, I had just finished reading Flores's article about his Pyromancer Ascension deck with Archive Traps as well as some tweets between himself, Gerry Thompson and Patrick Sullivan so I picked a few traps up and traded them almost immediately to someone who I know likes to play Pyromancer decks.

The second day lead to a pretty interesting big trade. I was sitting around when I noticed someone was dumping a ton of magic cards onto a table so I went over and saw some gems staring up at me. I asked if they were for trade and he said they were but he didn't know what decks he was building yet. Fortunately I noticed he had a mono-black EDH deck sitting next to him so I asked if he was looking for cards for that. He was and I handed him my own mono-black deck. I picked up the following:

1 Serra Avenger
1 Brainstorm (Coldsnap reprint)
1 Wonder
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Coralhelm Commander
1 Redirect
1 Magus of the Future
1 Training Grounds
1 Kalastria Highborn
1 Burning Wish
1 Harabaz Druid
1 Terastodon
1 Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
1 Steel Overseer (Foil)
1 Raging Ravine
1 Seer's Sundial
1 Darkslick Shores
1 Razorverge Thicket
1 Blackcleave Cliffs

for my:

Sorin Markov
Liliana Vess
Nightmare Lash
Beacon of Unrest
Imp's Mischief
Dread

I know that this is cheating in a way but it was hard to pass up especially since I could replace all of the cards once I got home. Either way it is a good trade for me and gets my binder back to a decent state.

When that trade was over someone else at the table had mentioned that the person I just traded with was willing to trade his Elspeth Tirel towards a Sorin Markov if he had not just traded for mine. While this may seem like a shockingly poor trade to most of us we have to remember that in the mind of a casual player they often don't care about price as much as they care about getting specific cards they will actually use. So on the one hand it can be easy to get some cards off of them at a good price but on the other if you are trying to get a card they actually use it can seem impossible.
Anyway I went back to the guy and after talking we settled on his:

Elspeth Tirel

for my:

Damnation
Journeyer's Kite
Solemn Simulacrum

Now I think Elspeth 2.0 is going to drop in price because I just don't see it being nearly as good as the old Elspeth. I could be wrong of course but I will happily trade it away at $40. The other person who was interested in the Elspeth got it for his:

1 Leonin Arbiter
2 Genesis Wave
1 Ezuri, Renegade Leader
1 Molten-Tail Masticore
2 Lodestone Golem
1 Argentum Armor
1 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Razorverge Thicket

Which works out perfect for me because it puts some more $2-3 rares in my binder but also a high value one in Molten-Tail Masticore.

One final thing I want to mention is the Seer's Sundial I traded for in the bigger trade. There is a casual player there who has fallen in love with the card ever since he read it the other day. Unfortunately he didn't have any trade stuff on him today otherwise it would have been gone. I will probably end up trading it to him for a $2 rare. By listening to what the people around you like and being supportive you can turn these throw-ins that people are dying to get out of their binder into a solid playable.

Join me again next week when I get back to talking about internet trading and especially how to use pricing sites to your advantage.

-Matt Sedlak

Two’fer Tuesday: E-valuations – Pack a Punch!

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Hey everyone, welcome to the second edition of my MTGO finance article series: E-valuations. I wanted to write a short something to introduce myself before I get into my topic for the week:

I learned to play Magic around when Mirage block came out. I played casually with the kids in my neighborhood for a few years, spending my hard earned money (allowance) on booster packs for my collection. I took a lengthy break from the game when I moved out of town. Quite a few years and a career later I came back when Time Spiral block was being released. After my return I understood my passion for this game was deeply rooted in nostalgia. I got into MTGO when I realized my local community of magic players was sparse. I now help manage & host an online Player Run Event and have been dabbling in Bots for some time. I try and take every opportunity I'm granted to make money through cards & other digital Magic-related product. I truly am intrigued by the financial side of Magic Online. I’m committed to sharing my experiences with you and hope you can use the information to make some Event Tickets! It doesn’t matter if you just purchased your MTGO account, or have already taken the plunge into Bot ownership – I hope to contribute content for all business minded readers!

Bad for legacy, great for. . . Learning?

Now, on to the money-maker of the week. This time I’m going to let you in on a method I’ve used to make profit that doesn’t even deal with online singles. Booster Packs! Today we’ll explore booster pack supply and demand flow. I’ll show you how to take advantage of the MTGO event schedule to make some cash in the secondary pack market. The bottom line is: Buy low and sell high!

  • Supply

One key difference between online packs and ones we buy from our game stores is availability. There’s no way to buy boxes or cases of packs online, and WOTC really dominates the initial resale market. If you were to buy physical packs in the same manner as online we’d all be lined up at Wizards HQ just so we could run a casual sealed event or even crack some for our personal collections. Seems mad doesn’t it? Well, such is the way it goes online. No one gets a break for buying large amounts of product since it all comes from the MTGO store with a set price tag. You may be thinking this is ludicrous but if you come with the intentions of making money you can breathe a sigh of relief.

Although boosters are available from the Magic Online storefront in an unlimited quantity, they’re not up for sale indefinitely. At the time I’m writing this article you may currently purchase M11, Zen Block, and Shards Block packs for the standard price of $3.99. When a new expansion is released, some products in the store essentially “rotate” out. This leaves the buying and selling of said rotated packs to the secondary market, creating a large drop in supply. I could simply tell you to go buy packs that are soon to rotate like it’s going out of style, but I don’t think that’s a smart move. Why? Because the way we’re going to increase our ticket count this week is not by acting like an MTGO store with a huge overhead. Instead we’re going to take into consideration the price spikes associated with online events.

  • Demand

The definition of demand (in economics) is the desire to own anything and the ability & willingness to pay for it. So who’s in demand for packs? The casual player, the drafter, the guy practicing for the Pro Tour, or the EDH fanatic? At some point in time pretty much everyone who plays is going to need packs. The way you want to handle packs is take them in when there is a large supply and little demand, and hold on to them until they “mature.” This is the business model for a plethora of industries and it should be yours as well. How? Read on my friends.

I’d like to share this link with you from the Wizard’s official site. If you’re going to try and cash in on the demand of packs, the schedule above will be your best friend. You see, the majority of people don’t plan ahead. But you should! Let’s look at one of the many avenues of making a profit in accordance with the schedule. If we’re looking at the Weekly Nix Tix Draft Schedule we can see that Wizards is bringing back older draft formats. The players for these events probably fall in into a few categories. Those who enjoyed the format the first time, those who never got the chance to try it, or the ones that just want to mix up their drafting a little. We can see in late October that Magic 2010 and Shards of Alara queues are going to be coming back in the draft room. You could probably pick up any amount of these packs for cheap right now. Probably less than $2.50 each! Who really needs M10 packs at this point anyway? Probably no one. But when the drafts go live again for a week what’s going to happen to the demand? That’s right, I can assure you it will go up. The packs you picked up earlier for dirt cheap are now going to be in far greater demand. A quick trip to the classified section and you’re in business. Not only will there be players lobbying for how much they’ll buy packs for, but you can advertise that you have what they need – and set your own price standard! I don't see why anyone with a business mindset wouldn't want to take advantage of this opportunity. I urge you to!

  • Scale

One thing I’d like to mention is the scale in which you could buy and sell these Booster Packs. You see, the niche formats are a large part of various players’ schedule, but some more than others. Use common sense when purchasing product you intend on selling. Certain formats were/are more popular than the rest. You should do some research and find out which ones the community of players enjoyed and which ones they avoided. Be mindful of how many packs are available in any given market. A quick search through some MTGO retailers that have web sites can give you a good idea if the market is already saturated with packs. The window of opportunity for pushing out your stock is going to be small, and you’ll need to keep this in mind. Fortunately there are plenty of options for you to choose from. If you miss out on one hot set of packs, fret not, as there will be plenty more in the coming weeks. The name of the game here is to stay one step ahead of everyone else. Your time investment and budget should reflect what’s going to make you the most event tickets!

At this point I feel I need to get a bit more specific with you all. I can steer you in the right direction as much as I want, but I wouldn’t want to leave you out there with no solid examples for inspiration. So, what am I picking up right now? Look at what’s going on from 11/3 to 11/10. How many packs of Lorwyn/Morningtide are currently available? They’re out there, but not in very vast quantities. The demand isn’t great right now but the supply is already low. You should be able to pick up these packs for around $3.00. When the drafting begins I would imagine packs sales to top over $4.00. Hence, if you can cash in some of your bankroll today, when these queues start to fire you’ll be in business. On top of this, LRW/SHM block will stop being redeemed from MTGO to paper product soon. Also note the coming extended season, and the role these sets will play in constructed. Add all that together and it seems to me like a formula for success.

-Some Trade Action-

This week I also wanted to try and incorporate a trade I made online to spark some interest and hopefully some comments & discussion. Without further adieu:

It seems I lost a little value-wise in this trade (using prices at the time of writing). However, I'd like to explain why I went through with it. If you read my article last week you'll undoubtedly know I'm all about picking up bulk cards. Well, in this case I had the opportunity to offload some fruits of my labor. I picked up an abundance of Caress' when M11 was released and have been slowly trading them off. At the .50 price point they are a great throw in, especially in a playset. I'm surprised at how well they have held value even after supplies of M11 went up. The Liliana Vess isn't a big loss even though I'm trading away a mythic for some rares as I don't think she  goes in any tier 1 decks right now.

My choice of the Misty Rainforest is pretty simple, if you have a chance to pick up any Zendikar lands in this cycle then I would suggest you do so. It seems the Dredgevine deck will be played for a while, and the Rainforest is at least a 3-of auto-include. I know Valakut Ramp is going to stick around, hence my other choice in the promo one. (Also note: Mono Red) Do I get extra cool points for it being promo? Probably not, but I'll have more to report on that front next week! All in all I think it is a nice trade, one that can help me advance my digital binder. I know trading is a little edgy right now due to what's been brewing for the new Standard, so I like to concentrate on what I think  will be solid trades either way.  What do you think?

Thanks for reading another edition of E-valuations, any comments are appreciated below! You can follow me on Twitter @skeletoy, and as always be sure to follow @QuietSpec! See you next time around!

-Rusty Young

She’ll Be Riding a Frost Titan When She Comes

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Hey everybody, and welcome back to Whinston’s Whisdom. Let me start by addressing the comments from last week’s article. Having gone back and reread my article in response to the comments, I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with them. There was too much “here’s what I did” and not enough “here’s why/how I did it”. The article just didn’t have enough useful information to be taken from it. And so I’ve decided to stop doing articles solely composed of trades and return to my standard article format, where the only trades listed out will be my Pack to Power, and these will have FULL reasoning accompanying them. Hopefully this leads to a more enjoyable read for everyone.

With that said, today I’d like to cover the results from States, and how these have affected the prices of cards within the Standard metagame, and then go over some MTGO specific information. Finally, I’ll round it off with some Pack to Power.

It's day in the sun was about that...a day.

So what did States give us? From my point of view, it gave us several relevant insights into the current and future Standard format. The first of these is the almost universal failure of Argentum Armor based decks (one of which I was unfortunately playing). Why did they not perform as expected? The Argentum Armor decks are very soft to removal, and are ridiculously underpowered without the Armor itself. When compared to decks like Valakut or Blue-White, Argentum Armor based archetypes can’t keep up. While this doesn’t affect prices overly much since Argentum Armor decks are relatively cheap, I wouldn’t be picking up anymore Stoneforge Mystics. Another deck that underperformed was Elves. This, however, is a much more expensive deck than Argentum Armor. I would be quick about trading off any Eldrazi Monuments, Fauna Shamans, and Vengevines you might have lying around. Because of the deck’s poor matchups against the top contenders in the field, and some inconsistent draws (much like White Weenie), I can’t see Elves dominating the metagame any time soon.

Now for the gainers, the two key cards we want to be looking at are Primeval Titan and Jace, the Mind Sculptor. The Primeval Titan decks, Eldrazi Ramp and Valakut, performed extremely well at States. They beat down on Control all day long, and Valakut’s Pyroclasms kept Aggro at bay (though Eldrazi Ramp didn’t have the same advantage). Primeval Titan has shot up 35% on MTGO in the past week (from 30 to 43 or so), and I foresee the paper versions doing the same. For those of you with smaller budgets, the support cards in each deck should be seeing increases too, especiallyWurmcoil Engine, which sees play in both decks.

And we also have Jace based decks. The most popular of these by far is Blue-White Control. Blue White performed well at States because of it’s good matchup versus other random control decks, an unexpected blowout of a matchup against Red, and the ability to crush whatever rogue concoctions it might have to play against in the early rounds. While Jace is the namesake card, I wouldn’t be picking any up. Like Baneslayer Ange;, I feel Jace has mainly leveled out, and while it is still the game-breaker in the mirror, it is significantly less good against other archetypes. Instead, I would recommend speculating on Blue-White’s finishers. At the moment, the ideal finishers for Blue-White are undecided. Some versions run Sun Titan and some Wurmcoil Engine. Almost universally though, Baneslayer has been disappearing. Another option that has only recently come into the fray is Frost Titan. We’ll talk more about him later. The final Jace deck is U/R control. Backed by Gerry Thompson, his list of U/R Destructive Force control took down Illinois States in the hands of the ever-powerful Lee Cote as last year’s State Champion Aron Bloch wept on the sidelines (hi Aron!). Again, the main card I would be looking at out of U/R is Frost Titan.

If it's part of the best creature cycle ever...does it count as a sleeper hit?

While originally regarded as the worst of the Titans, Frost Titan is becoming the new breakout card. Already up over 100% on MTGO, this is a train you should get on as quickly as possible, assuming, of course, that you haven’t already missed it. Frost Titan is so powerful for several reasons. First, it acts as a perfect foil to opposing titans of any variety. While it doesn’t stop the comes-into-play trigger, it does prevent any triggers in the future. It can also lock down any other troubling permanents, such as Manlands, a Wurmcoil Engine, or even mana screw your opponent. While Frosty the Snowman’s conditional Shroud may seem relatively useless, I can assure you it’s not. While it is most important in Control mirrors, where the extra 2 mana for a Doom Blade can lead to a Mana Leak suddenly becoming live, I guarantee you multiple opponents will simply forget about the ability. I’ve had Valakut tap out for Primeval Titan, search up 2 Mountains with a Valakut already on the table, and then *faceàpalm*. As a whole, Frost Titan is an excellent card, and one well worth playing.

Now, our MTGO segment for our digital fan base. As I write, Scars prereleases are in full swing, with Drafts starting in just a few hours. This is one of the few times I would have recommended playing in Prereleases, first because of the very skill-dependant level of the format, and also because of the amazing promo. Some explanation. One of the things I like best about Scars Limited is the low impact of the bombs. True, cards like Hoard-Smelter Dragon, Myr Battlesphere, and Mimic Vat will still win games. But there are so many answers for these cards at the common level in Arrest and Shatter among others that bombs shouldn’t singlehandedly determine the outcome of a game. I went an easy 3-0 split with a R/W aggressive Metalcraft deck with only Strata Scythe as a rare, while my G/B Platinum Emperion, Skin Render, Geth, Lord of the Vault, Myr Battlesphere, Mimic Vat pool went 2-2, as did my Wurmcoil Engine, 2x Skin Render, 2x Grasp of Darkness 2x Galvanic Blast pool. Skill level and tight play are huge! Also, the promo for this prerelease is amazing. I’m very happy receiving one or two Wurmcoil Engines every time I play a Sealed queue. These guys are already going for 3 tix (for non foil) or 4 (for foil) in the classifieds. This also means that you don’t need to worry about holding onto any Engines you open (I’ve already gotten 2) and instead can just swap them for tix immediately. The only downside to this I can see is warping the MTGO market-worth of a key card, but even that shouldn’t be a huge deal. Another factor you should be looking at when investing in MTGO are the Eternal formats. Prior to the release of Scars, prices on Eternal staples were steadily creeping upwards, 5-10% per week. In my opinion this was largely due to an increasing apathy and boredom in regards to the Jund and Mythic dominated Standard metagame. Now that those decks are gone, and Scars has joined the party, I feel more people will switch back to Standard. As such, I would let go of any Eternal investments you have, and look to pick them back up later once Scars as sunk in and people start getting bored again.

And last, but not least, we’ll round out today’s article with some Pack to Power trades:

Trade #2

My:

1 Stoneforge Mytstic

His:

2 Leonin Arbiter

This felt like a quite easy swap for me. As I said earlier, I don’t feel Stoneforge Mystic is still a good hold any more, while Leonin Arbiter is seeing plenty of Sideboard play both in aggressive and control decks against Primeval Titan. I should be able to move these pretty easily to a prospective Blue-White player.

Trade #3

My:

1 Leonin Arbiter

1 Lux Cannon

1 Celestial Colonnade

His:

1 Foil Eldrazi Temple

1 Goblin Guide

1 Necrotic Ooze

Well, there goes one of the Arbiters! Here, I traded off some control cards for a more varied trade stock. Some pimp Ramp pilot is going to want that Foil Eldrazi Temple, and Goblin Guide is a perennial favorite for the Red mage. Necrotic Ooze is the only one I might have trouble trading away. The BG Dredgevine deck with Fauna Shaman and Ooze didn’t make a very large appearance at States, but I still feel I can use the Ooze as a throw-in at least.

As a recap, the pack’s current contents:

1 Foil Eldrazi Temple

1 Necrotic Ooze

1 Goblin Guide

1 Leonin Arbiter

1 Trigon of Rage

1 Lifesmith

1 Carrion Call

1 Foil Darkslick Drake

1 Galvanic Blast

1 Tel-Jilad Defiance

1 Chrome Steed

1 Golem Foundry

1 Golden Urn

1 Oxidda Daredevil

1 Plated Seastrider

1 Iron Myr

1 Forest

That’s all for this week. Let me know in the comments section if this article was an improvement on the last, and what further changes I can make in order to improve these even more.

Wishing he was allowed to do the Great Designer Search #2,

--Noah Whinston

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Geth, Lord of the Vault

#followfriday: Let’s Begin at the Beginning

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Let’s step back in time for a minute, back to early 2008. It was a Friday night and I walked into a card and comic shop for the first time in almost 10 years. A Magic FNM (Friday Night Magic) was in progress and after watching a game or two my mind was flooded with memories of being a kid and playing Magic with my friends. I had the urge to play once again and spoke with the owner of the shop about   how the best way to get back in would be. I didn’t know a single soul at that store and wasn’t sure I could afford getting back into it. After talking with the owner for a little while, however, I was convinced to get back into Magic. The best way to do that, I figured, would be to buy a box of the newest set and a preconstructed deck. Unfortunately, I didn’t have that much cash on me so I settled for the preconstructed deck.

After a few horrible FNMs I was considering dropping the game because I couldn’t afford to be competitive. Then came a day where I was just hanging around the local shop, talking with a bunch of the people I’ve met over the last couple of weeks, and I was talking to them about dropping the game because of finances. After this a guy who I had quickly become friends with proposed that we start to pool cards. Pooling cards, for those of you who are unfamiliar with that term, is the process of multiple people sharing product so as to cut down on the cost of playing. At the time this seemed like an amazing idea. “You mean I get to play Magic and the cost of everything is split? Sign me up.”

Cut to a few months later and I was becoming a more competitive Magic player and so was my friend. We didn’t compensate for that, however, and only had 4-ofs of the Type 2 staples back then. When I wanted to pilot Faeries and he wanted to pilot B/W Tokens we could only build one of the decks because we only owned 4 Bitterblossom. Consequently I began to try and find a way to acquire the cards for myself. I considered trading for what I wanted for about 5 minutes before I realized that would not work because of the card pool factor. I didn’t have a whole lot of extra cash so I was kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.

That was the situation up until about 4 months ago when I headed to a tournament with a deck list completely set out and had play-tested for weeks in preparation. I had everything minus a few Jace, the Mindsculptors and some fetchlands but was fine because I was told I could use the other Jaces from the pool of cards. After I arrived at the event I wrote out my deck list and waited for my friend to show up and hand me the cards to finish sleeving up. When he got there, however, I was told that he was going to use the Jaces for his homebrew deck. I was stunned, there I was sitting at the event tables with my deck list already filled out and actually can’t run it because my teammate changed his mind and wouldn’t let me use the cards for the deck that we decided that I should play. That was the last straw for me, I picked up my cards, registered a jankie mono-red list and proceeded to go 1-2 and drop from the tournament. After I dropped I took what cards I had in my possession and headed over to the trade tables. I walked away from that tournament with over a $100 in cash and enough cards to start up a trade binder. Now I’m relatively sure that I could have walked away with a lot more but I was angry from the day and was looking for specific cards that I thought I needed.

That was a big mistake, and a mistake that anyone could have made in that sort of mindset. It was after this that I decided to trade my way up to owning playsets of the cards that I couldn’t afford with cash and was going to do it with whatever I had in my binder. That is where I am today. The proud owner of 4 Jace, the Mindsculptors among a list of Type 2 staples including: the titans, fetchlands, and have even gotten into trading for Legacy staples. Now you may be like I was, struggling to gather the cards to be a competitive player or looking at the prices of cards online and wondering how anyone could afford to play in Type 2.

That’s where I come in, I’m here to show you that it is possible to own those cards without spending the cash for them. It is possible to get a Type 2 deck that’s competitive without giving an arm and a leg for it. I’m proof of it. By using my strategies for trading you will be able to acquire those seemingly unobtainable cards. Now you may be thinking to yourself that I was just lucky and that it isn’t feasible, but you’re incorrect! It is possible and I will teach you the strategies and mannerisms that must be learned in order to do it.

First thing you must do, and this is going to be hard to hear, is you must break all emotional attachments to cards. What I mean is that first Sun Titan that you opened from your first pack ever, is up for grabs. I understand that it means a lot to you and you have it in a nice white sleeve but the fact is that Sun Titan is a card that can be used to further your goal of obtaining that Jace, or that Primeval Titan. This step is possibly the hardest for a lot of people to get over and one of the things that will help you get through this step is to constantly say to yourself, “The cards will come back.” I tell myself this after every trade I do because it’s true, those pieces of cardboard will come back to you, eventually. The hardest thing I had to do was trade away one of my Jaces, I did this because I knew that eventually I would get one back but that didn’t make it any less difficult to do. After that though I’ve never really thought twice about letting a card go unless I am somehow losing a substantial amount of value on my cards, which leads to the second step.

Don’t worry about always gaining value, this could possibly be the thing holding most starting traders back. When a person who has never traded before opens their binder to someone for the first time they believe that their cards are worth a whole lot more than they are, part of that is because of the emotional hold on the cards and the other is that they aren’t really sure of the true value of a card so they go way over when asked. So do your homework, look up the prices of your cards and don’t be fooled by people who will try and trick you into thinking one of your cards isn’t worth a lot. My strategy for trading with people is to tell them a few different values, one being what the retail on the card is, the other being what I will give them in trade value for it. I’m being honest about what a card is worth on both ends this way and I am not looked at strangely when I say a Sun Titan is roughly $6 retail but can only give you $4.50 in trade.

Lastly, as far as beginning strategies go, you must absolutely trade for everything you can. This is because when you trade for everything you are able to trade with everyone. This opens opportunities that you might not have had a chance to get otherwise. When I show up at a tournament or even if I just stop by the shop on my way home I make a point to trade with everyone there, even if it’s something as small as a uncommon for bulk rare trade. It’s the Magic trader’s way of networking, and by trading with everyone you learn what people look for and want. For example, there is a local at the shop I go to that I know wants white and equipment foils for his deck, I know this because when I trade with him that’s all he wants. By using this knowledge I am able to trade for those cards at the bigger events I go to and bring them back to the local shop and show him that I’m always on the lookout for those cards for him. This act gives the impression that you are not just out for yourself but that you are genuinely a good person.

Start using these strategies at your local shop or in between rounds at an FNM and you’ll soon see that more and more people will be open to trading with you. As someone who literally came from barely a Magic card to my name to now owning my current collection and being known as one of the bigger traders in town here I can assure you that these strategies work. It’s not easy and it’s not an overnight deal. You have to work at it and be willing to lose a little to gain a lot.

- James Trentini

The Nutt Draw: Buy Lists

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Once again this week as we examine the world of Magic Buy Lists I’m attempting to narrow in on some useful and usable information. The last few times we’ve looked at this data I’ve displayed the top cards, the movers and shakers. I had hoped that the information would be interesting and useful. To some degree it was, but it wasn’t enough. As I have been doing with the other data points I’ve been showing you I’ve reformatted all the Buy Lists as well.

If something you read here looks confusing you may wish to check out some of my processes and explanations here. The Nutt Draw: Primers and Glossary

In addition to all these revisions and display changes I’ve been adding online stores to the lists. As of writing I am tracking Starcity Games, Cool Stuff Inc, Channel Fireball, Troll and Toad, BlackBorder, Strike Zone and White Lion Games. I plan on adding in six more, and possibly replacing one or two depending on how complete and competitive they are. Once I have analyzed them all for performance I’ll know who to cut.

The first revised list I would like to show you is the list for the cards in standard. On the top of this spreadsheet you’ll notice I have highlighted the top 30 cards sorted by the highest offered buy price. This is good trivia, but unless you’re trying to get rid of one or more of those cards, it’s just fun to look at. However, below that list you’ll find a list of all the cards in standard that appear on the any of the tracked buy lists that have a high buy price of $0.10 or more. I’m hoping that this more complete list will be more of a tool then just pretty.

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Next up we have the same treatment as above, but for Extended. The staples of Standard from two or three years ago, Mutavault, Thoughtseize and Bitterblossom top out the chart. No surprises here really. As with the Standard list I’ve included a list of all the cards on the buy lists, though this time it’s the cards above $0.25. The $0.10 cut off for Standard, the $0.25 cut off for Extended and the following $1.00 cut off for the Eternal formats are all because of some limitation to what I can upload and calculate online with Google spreadsheets. I’ve mentioned this many times before, but I am planning on moving to a new platform that is more in my control and won’t have these limitations.

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Since it would be so top heavy with Power 9, I decided not to show the top 30 Eternal cards and instead went with the largest list of cards I was able to upload and still calculate.

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The Eternal list has about 1000 cards on it and highlight anything that has an offer of $1.00 or more on it. If you have some old cards and want to get some cash, look over this list. I’m sure you’ll find what you’re looking for.

I’ve also spent some time updating the list rst introduced last month. The Womby list has been split into three different lists, one for Standard, one for Extended, and one for the Eternal cards. The Womby lists highlight any cards that are sold on eBay for a price (average price) lower than what they appear at on the tracked buy lists. First up is Standard.

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Nothing too surprising there, and most likely none of them have enough margins at the prices listed to really be interesting, but if you can get some good buys or trades on these cards, you certainly have room to gain.

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The Extended list gives us a few cards that we might be able to make some cash on if we can get good deals. Baneslayer Angels have been trading pretty low these days in my geography, and a savy trader could easily make some money based on some of the buy prices listed here. If you can get people to toss in some Siege-Gang Commanders with your trades you should be able to clean up on those as well.

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There is always magin to be made on the Power 9 if you get a good deal, but there is lots of gold on the Eternal list. Dig out those old cards you’re not using any more and send them on in. Remember to keep in mind that all the prices listed are for cards in Near Mint condition and you’ll get less if the quality isn’t there. Check on each of the buyers web sites for details and instructions.

Lastly, here is an update of the application of the Demand Index values to the buy list. This gives us an indication of the cards that have the least demand, but are still desired by online stores.

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As per Jason's request, here are links to the printable copies of all these lists.

Buy List - Standard
Buy List - Extended
Buy List - Eternal
Womby List - Standard
Womby List - Extended
Womby List - Eternal
Demand Matrix Buy List

I’ll keep working to make this data usable. If you have any suggestions or ideas, please let me know.

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Born in Seattle, Washington, Chris McNutt has been playing and collecting Magic: The Gathering since Unlimited Edition. As an active player, tournament organizer and judge he regularly scrubs out of Pro Tour Qualifiers but inexplicably cleans up at the local draft tables. When not net decking Chris is either busy working as an Information Technology Sales Rep or spending time with his family. Other non-magical pastimes include playing guitar and an unhealthy number of video games. Cursed with an undying love of generating spreadsheets purely for “fun”, he’ll be crunching the numbers each week in order to serve up delicious data burritos to the salivating, hungry readers of Quiet Speculation.

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The Revenue Review – Breaking down States

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Welcome back to the Revenue Review, where this week there are plenty of innovative and surprising lists to review from States!

Just kidding.

States turned out to be exactly what we expected – a lot of Primeval Titan and Jace, the Mind Sculptor. The other decks we I identified last week also made appearances, with Elves putting up a strong showing behind Ezuri, Renegade Leader, and Wurmcoil Engine proving its worth. We also saw a number of Eldrazi Monuments show up, which I’m pointing out purely to link to this article.

But that doesn’t mean there aren’t some nuggets we can pull out of the results to get a look at the possible evolution of the metagame and the prices associated with that. Rather than walk you through the most successful cards you should be trying to pick up (which I did here last week), this week I’ve scoured the Top 8s we have to find the White Stag hiding inside (+1 Jon Medina for the term).

First of all, we have two Mythics from Scars that you need to be aware of moving forward. The first is Molten-Tail Masticore, which has been cropping up in more and more lists since its release. This card is on the way up, not down, and I don’t think you’re going to find a better time to jump in on these than now. I don’t see this dropping much from its current levels in the coming months.

The second Mythic to look at is something of a surprise since I didn’t expect to see it break into Standard so soon. Lux Cannon made a few showings in the Top 8 (takes on it here and here). With two more sets to come from Mirrodin we can expect Proliferate to soon be back (and in greater numbers), making the Cannon a definite card to watch out for (read: pick up ASAP).

As I’ve touched on before, Mythics are where speculators and traders can make the most money. When Mythics are bad, traders value them at bulk rare prices; but when they begin to see competitive play, the difference between rarity becomes a huge deal. These decks should have a better matchup against Ramp decks than traditional U/W does, making it a potentially huge player in the coming metagame.

There’s also another previously unplayed Mythic that made at least one Top 8 appearance over the weekend. Abyssal Persecutor made it to the final tables in Ohio, and the card is just too powerful to ignore. I don’t think these are a good buy at current prices, but they’re definitely worth picking up in trades if you can, since a 6/6 flying, trampling, budget replacement for a Titan is going to be easy to move.

But what’s that other card in that list? Mimic Vat? I have no idea how good it is, but at least it’s one of the only Imprint cards that doesn’t immediately two-for-one you. It’s a Johnny-tastic card that you should be able to find a home for, and its appearance in several Top 8 decks gives you some leverage when trading it away.

Genesis Wave also showed up in a few different decks. This is another card that appeals to both Timmies and Johnnies, and I haven’t had any issues making value on cards that fit that category.

One more find for you. Check out this list, by Travis Woo (Living End guy). It’s pretty similar to just about every other ramp deck out there, but it features a very different finisher. Enter Ob Nixilis, the Fallen. I don’t know if this list is better than Valakut or mono-Green (I suspect not), but I’m including it for the sake of completion. The fact that it’s a previously-bulk Mythic doesn’t hurt either. There’s not much risk to these right now, and chances are you can trade them off to EDH players if they don’t pan out.

We’re going to move into more speculative ground now, with a few lists that aren’t quite there, but do present some opportunity if they accomplish something. To clarify, I’m not advocating making any move based on the following, but I wanted to give you the information.

The first is a Pyrcomancer Ascension list championed by Mike Flores that uses Archive Trap as a win condition. Obviously there’s going to be a jump on the Traps if the list does well, and they jumped 80 percent on MTGO after he posted the list.

The next list I have for you comes from the Magic hotbed of Nova Scotia, Canada (I reserve the right to make fun of Canada at any time since I am half-Canadian). If you want to find some bulk rares to speculate on, here’s your list. Beastmaster Ascension and Conquerers Pledge aren’t the most sexy cards, but there’s a Top 8 list if you’re feeling bold. Disclaimer: I have no idea how many people showed up for the tournament it Top 8’ed.

I hope you found this look at States useful. I’ll be back next week with a (belated) submitted trade when midterms stop kicking my ass and I can sleep for more than three hours a night!

Corbin Hosler

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Endless Horizons – Marketing and You

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This week were going to explore marketing. Before we go any further we must define marketing. When you think about it, what do you really consider to be the aspects of marketing? I’ll give you a moment.

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Here is what dictionary.com gives us for marketing.
mar•ket•ing
[mahr-ki-ting]
–noun
1. The act of buying or selling in a market.
2. The total of activities involved in the transfer of goods from the producer or seller to the consumer or buyer, including advertising, shipping, storing, and selling.

The second definition is a much better in depth explanation, but that’s just touching the surface of what marketing really is. For more explanation on marketing, we must start looking at things from a business perspective. In business, the overall idea of marketing comes from four core values, or the “four P’s”

Product, Price, Place, and Promotion

Product is an easy one. We're in the business of trading Magic cards, but we have to look at who’s going to trade and buy from us, and where are we going to get the cards at?

Price is something we are all concerned about. We have to make sure that we stay on top of trends, have up to date pricing, and most of all that our items are priced to sell, while making us the highest possible profits. This is the easiest step for us to mess up.

Place is the area we’re going to be working in. Where do you expect to move product? E-bay is an option, as is Magic Online Trading League. The local shops you mapped out after my first article found here are also the places you will be working in, so it’s important to identify all of them and know their needs.

Promotion is the concept of reaching the market that you want and need to be reaching. If one of the shops you go to doesn’t have any opportunity for you to move legacy and vintage cards, then there isn’t much point in taking them. At least not until you open up that market.

Armed with this knowledge, you can begin creating a successful marketing strategy for yourself to create the most stable profits possible. This brings us to the pricing itself which, on a good day, can be a tricky proposition at best.

Continuing on from the ideas of business theory, we have Pricing Strategy, which is broken down into eight different categories, but only four of them apply to our desires.

Value Based
– This is the most basic of all pricing strategies, and the most common. It takes current values and generates trades based on that. While it’s not my preferred method, it is one that I’m willing to work with if it’s necessary, and other writers have covered how to get the most out of this.

Competitive – Perhaps you’re not the only person in your region attempting to establish a large market, or you have to compete with local traders that have a deep binder, or even with the local shop. All of these things are common and promote the construction of a healthy market. You have to know how to deal with competition, and price accordingly. One of the pitfalls to this is there is the potential for customers and trade partners to play you and your competition against each other, so know your hard line on prices.

Psychological – This is your big risk, big reward pricing strategy. Creating a personal need for a card for your trade partner will raise its value, but you have to know your trading partner rather well to create a psychological attachment. This can work both ways, both with your own cards and theirs. Placing personal value on something always raises its value, even if only slightly. Of course with risk, there is always the opportunity for failure, and this method can easily sink trades very quickly. I suggest only Jedi’s and masters of mind games attempt this.

Cost Plus – This is the method I most commonly use when trading things away. It helps to cover gas expenses of driving, and my time. The formula for it is an effective way to ensure profit. It is calculated as (Average variable cost + % allocation of fixed costs) * (1+ markup %). For example, if I were trading away a Ratchet Bomb, it has an average cost of $10, and a fixed cost allocation cost of $3 (this covers gas and other expenses), and a markup of 10%, it would look like ($10+$3)*(1+0.10), or $14.3, netting us an average of $4.30 to cover our gas, time, and other expenses. Trading a Ratchet Bomb at $15 isn’t unheard of at all, and the card could easily see that price tag to buy after the results from States start coming in.

As you can see there is more to marketing than the dictionary definition, and successfully incorporating those different ideas into your own trading routine can help you increase productivity, and profits. One aspect that isn't covered in there is supply and demand. This is because the theories of supply and demand can be applied to all of these to fluctuate the cost accordingly, and every market will be different. This is one of the many challenges that we have to face every day we go to trade, but now you have intelligent ways to price, and a much better understanding of marketing to help you.

Hopefully by now you’ve established yourself at some new shops, opened a new market or two, and checked yourself against the list. Now armed with a better idea of marketing and pricing systems you’re ready to conquer the tables. Next week we will continue to cultivate our personal business, and I'll have a new trading system to let you look over.

Until next time,

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Internet Trading for Fun and Profit

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If you head over to the Trading Post section of MtGSalvation you will see tons of trade lists. The post that is currently at the top is likely to hit the bottom of the second page by the end of the day if not sooner. The point I'm trying to make is that there is a ton of traffic and even more individual trade threads. How can you make yourself stand out?

The first contact someone will have with you is your thread title. When you make your first post this isn't as important because people will see that your thread has no replies and jump at the opportunity to check out a virgin list. Still there is no reason not to put some work into your title right from the beginning.

Some users, myself included, start with a generic “(name)'s H/W list” and there are both pros and cons for this. Let's start with the downsides. First, it gives you less space to list some of your more desirable cards. The second con is probably the biggest but at the same time can be the biggest pro as well. In fact it is the reason I start my list off the way I do. The problem is that it makes your title less liquid. In other words, even though you may change some of the cards you list in the title people will more easily remember having viewed it before and if they didn't really see much they liked they may just pass you over. Of course your list could have almost completely changed since then! Some people combat this problem by actually stating in their thread title that they have recently had a huge update.

The reason I choose to start my title with my username is that I try to make an effort to establish a good reputation among the people I trade with. I want them to remember that they had a great trade experience with me so that when they see my list again they want to check it out because they want that easy trade experience again. Of course I still probably lose some views for the reason I mentioned above but that doesn't worry me too much because internet trading is mainly used as a way to supplement my in-person trading. I'll talk a little bit more about that later but for now let's talk some more about creating a good title.

The next thing you need to decide is what cards you want to list. Some people choose to only list cards they have, some only the cards they want and some choose to mix it up. Generally I like to focus more on what I have and only list specific wants if I am looking for a card that is harder to find. The most common way to list cards in your title is to use the following format: “H: Karakas, Fetches W: Mox Diamond”. Recently I decided to build a Korlash EDH deck and I needed about 60 cards for it. It took me about a week. During that time I had something like “W:EDH, your list” for my wants.

The best way to grab someones attention is to list cards that they want. This is obvious but there are some nuances to look for when trying to get maximum value from your list. The first thing to realize is that you can edit your thread title whenever you want but you can only self-bump your thread once per 24 hours. This means that when you choose to bump your thread you can take a look at the threads that you will be surrounded by. I generally try to not list a card that other people have in their title unless it is a chase rare or mythic. Sometimes people will list that they “H:Legacy” or some other format in which case I may list some of my Standard staples. Other times a few people may have listed that they are looking for a card that I have. In that case I may list that card for a couple of reasons. The first is that other people may see someone looking for a card and realize that they want it as well. Second, the people who just bumped their own threads are probably still around so it is more likely they will end up viewing your thread. Of course I will be taking a look at their lists myself generally but I want to get as many people as possible to view my thread because that increases the chance I will make a trade.

If you don't want to bother with managing your title that much the best thing to do is list any of your chase cards and interesting cards you may have. By interesting I mean desirable promos (textless and Arena Mana Leaks come to mind here as well as judge foils), foil staples, blue Hurricanes, etc. One thing to remember is that there will be tons of people who have $3-8 standard rares. If possible I try to list cards out of that range. As an example, one title I recently had said “H: Fauna Shaman, foil Leyline of Sanctity, lots more W: YOUR LIST!”.

Once you have your list set up and you are getting some offers the next question is how to get value from your trades. This is much more difficult to do online because prices are easily available. My entire list is linked so that if you click on any card I have or want you will be taken to a site that lists a number of prices for the card, among other things. The two methods I use to get value are trading up and what I call supplement trading.

Trading up is obvious and slightly easier to do online but only if you have cards that someone really wants. There are ways to increase your chances of getting to trade up and I want to discuss a few of them now. The first has to do with your reputation and relationship with other traders. Remember that all of your communication is going to be through a website so it is very impersonal to begin with. The worst thing you can do is be rude or act like a shark. Even if someone offers you a trade that you don't want to make be polite and don't ignore them. It is frustrating when people fail to get back to you and if it becomes a common occurrence they may just decide not to trade with you in the future. If you are rude when declining a trade offer that may put you on their personal blacklist as well. I remember one experience I had: The person stated on his thread that he uses apathyhouse for pricing and would not use any other guide (a mistake I'll talk about in the future) so I made him an offer using apathyhouse for all the prices. While I don't remember all the details what basically happened was that apathyhouse had a foil Leyline of the Void listed at like $12-13 and the person sent me a message back with something like, “Foil Leyline is around $8. Want to try making me a real offer?” Of course I couldn't resist pointing out to him that his “only source for pricing” was where I got the price from. The better way for him to have handled the situation would have been to say something like, “Sometimes apathyhouse has very erratic pricing on foils” (which is true by the way) “but this site has it listed for $8. Would you be ok with trading it at that?”
Being polite isn't enough though. You have to be prompt getting your cards out. I almost always get the cards sent out the day after we finalize the trade. If there is going to be a delay I make sure to be upfront about it. If I state that I will be shipping the cards out the next day but it takes me two or three days to ship I make sure to let them know and I usually throw something in to make up for the delay. The “problem of shipping” is the biggest drawback of trading online and a topic I will definitely tackle in the future.

Once you have built up a rapport with some traders they may be more likely to trade down with you but it is by no means a guarantee. To be honest though, you shouldn't be prompt with shipping and polite just in the hopes that you will be able to get a favorable trade out of it. You should do those things normally but the sad fact is that so many people fail to do either of those things so it does set you a bit ahead of the pack. There are other things you can do to increase your reputation that I will discuss in my next article.

If you remember a little while back I mentioned something I call supplement trading. Basically this is using internet trading to get the most out of your local trading. If, like most Magic players, you don't attend very many big events then your trading is generally limited to your local gaming community. This means that two things are very likely to happen. The first is that you will have some things in your binder that no one is trading for. The second is that people are going to be looking for specific cards that no one has. Supplement trading helps with both of these issues.

Let me give you an example of a trade I made in person the other day with supplement trading in mind. Someone on campus had a trade binder full of some Eternal cards that had been there since I met him at the beginning of last school year. There is a vibrant casual gaming community at my university and this particular player loves to play red and white decks. I was able to trade off a bunch of burn cards I had picked up when a local gaming store was planning on running a Legacy event. The trade was:

My:
3 Awakening Zone
4 Renegade Doppleganger
1 Scalding Tarn
3 Fling (Gateway promo)
2 Rift Bolt
4 Lava Spike
1 Char
2 Student of Warfare
1 FNM Rift Bolt

for his:
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Scion of Oona
1 Tinker
2 Sapphire Medallion
1 Replenish
1 Null Rod
1 Lord of Atlantis
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Conqueror's Pledge (foil)

The trade is in my favor to begin with but I would have a hard time moving the Eternal stuff normally. He had them for over a year at least and still had not been rid of them so he was happy to get some stuff he would actually use or be able to trade away easier. Now I can list them online and it is very likely that I will find people interested in them.

On the other end of the spectrum I can trade some of my cards away that aren't trading locally for cards I know players are looking for or interested in. One player at my LGS was looking for Mindbreak Traps so I ended up getting them essentially as deal-eveners and just gave them to him. Another player was looking for a Linvala so I picked one of those up for some cards gathering dust in my binder and traded it for some EDH stuff I was looking for. By using the internet as a “binder-fixer” you can easily become the go to guy for cards and really maximize your value from trading.

Before I finish I just want to briefly talk about something I've noticed popping up on the internet trading sites recently. Ever since Jonathan Medina started his Pack-to-Power quest there have been tons of other people doing their own Pack-to-Whatevers. I think it is a fun idea but I think a lot of people are going about it wrong. Quite often you will see these people say something like, “I'm not looking for anything specific just make me an offer in my favor for this.” I think these people are missing the point. Even Jonathan Medina caught some flak for similar things when he first started. The idea is to show that you have the skill to take a pack and trade it up to a piece of power. If you just ask for people to give you value all you are doing is basically begging your way to power rather than earning it. Then again, perhaps there is a way to take advantage of this new trend?!

Join me next time when I talk more about how to organize your online list, what to do when an issue comes up with internet trading and I talk about trades I did at States. I will also discuss more ways to build rapport online and delve into the problem of shipping.

-Matt Sedlak

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